The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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whodeycin85 said:
He, septic, huff. Will dog cuss and run Trump into the ground, but when it comes to Biden it's just"i dont like him".
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Actually, it's that blatant, overt hated of Trump that causes me to support him even more. The left wants to cram their ideology down my throat so badly that they resort to the tactics we are seeing on a daily basis... Against ONE MAN... so there must be something he is bringing to the party that absolutely scares them to death. So let's find out what it is.

Trump 2024.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Actually, it's that blatant, overt hated of Trump that causes me to support him even more. The left wants to cram their ideology down my throat so badly that they resort to the tactics we are seeing on a daily basis... Against ONE MAN... so there must be something he is bringing to the party that absolutely scares them to death. So let's find out what it is.

Trump 2024.
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I hear ya, I'm the same way although I wish Trump with just go behind the scenes... Talk trash.. Give rallys for Vivik.. Be a king maker so to speak... Vivik has my primary, of he doesn't win and it's Trump, he will get my vote all day long and I hope he wins and blows everything to crap
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Are you familiar with Hawaii 1960... When Hawaii was contested, electors for Nixon already awarded, Kennedy had electors signed and sent, Kennedy had a lawsuit for recount. Won the lawsuit, recount showed the electors were supposed to be his.... Come the day Nixon is confirming electors... Book he rejects Hawaii electors and with unanimous consent accepts the fake electors Kennedy had appointed... So until 22 when the it changed, pence could have rejected this electors, problem is theer would have been unanimous consent to accept Trumps electors .... Dirty tactic, yes, dumb, maybe but the the states were in question (lawsuits) when the electors were done.....
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I'm very familiar with it, because this has been covered before.

See the 1960 Electoral College certificates that the false Trump electors say justify their gambit

Unlike Hawaii in 1960 ... the state of Michigan was not in question.

The Supreme Court had refused to take any of the cases involving the 2020 election ... and every suit filed by the Trump Campaign had been laughed out of court. Just because there may have been a few more frivolous law suits still pending, does not mean that the state of Michigan was still in doubt - it wasn't.

Biden won Michigan by more than 150,000 votes. It was not possible for that outcome to be reversed. There wasn't going to be a recount in Michigan, because it wasn't anywhere close to justify a recount!

Hawaii in 1960, is in no way analogous to Michigan in 2020. Pence did not have the authority to cast aside electoral college votes from the state of Michigan.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm very familiar with it, because this has been covered before.

See the 1960 Electoral College certificates that the false Trump electors say justify their gambit

Unlike Hawaii in 1960 ... the state of Michigan was not in question.

The Supreme Court had refused to take any of the cases involving the 2020 election ... and every suit filed by the Trump Campaign had been laughed out of court. Just because there may have been a few more frivolous law suits still pending, does not mean that the state of Michigan was still in doubt - it wasn't.

Biden won Michigan by more than 150,000 votes. It was not possible for that outcome to be reversed. There wasn't going to be a recount in Michigan, because it wasn't anywhere close to justify a recount!

Hawaii in 1960, is in no way analogous to Michigan in 2020. Pence did not have the authority to cast aside electoral college votes from the state of Michigan.
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We can say that now... But when the lawsuits were filed they still could have made an impact of Trump had won correct??? And if the Trump has won the lawsuit, they could have over turned the state correct?? Given both of those are yes then the electors for Biden would have been accepted regardless, but pence could have rejected them... And used the Trump appointed electors... Up till it was made ceremonial... In Hindsight we can say all those things you mentioned... In the moment you can't... Just like Kennedy did.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Actually, it's that blatant, overt hated of Trump that causes me to support him even more. The left wants to cram their ideology down my throat so badly that they resort to the tactics we are seeing on a daily basis... Against ONE MAN... so there must be something he is bringing to the party that absolutely scares them to death. So let's find out what it is.

Trump 2024.
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i have always said that..they hate him for some reason..both parties actually. using character is lazy when DC is nothing but people of same character, many even worse.
Frankly any Non Prog is a Trump..just look at Kennedy for example. It won’t matter who is in the WH.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
We can say that now... But when the lawsuits were filed they still could have made an impact of Trump had won correct??? And if the Trump has won the lawsuit, they could have over turned the state correct?? Given both of those are yes then the electors for Biden would have been accepted regardless, but pence could have rejected them... And used the Trump appointed electors... Up till it was made ceremonial... In Hindsight we can say all those things you mentioned... In the moment you can't... Just like Kennedy did.
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NO .... and HELL, NO!

Joe Biden won Michigan by 154,000 votes. There was never going to be a recount, unless the Trump Campaign paid for it (Yeah, right!). This was known when the electors were appointed in mid-December and when the electoral college met and voted.

It was simply not possible for Trump's pending law suits to erase a 154,000 vote margin! ... and they were all thrown out of court, anyway!
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't care if he's petulant. That's superficial. And your con man/grifter stick is getting old. DC is full of them and most of them wear blue.

Bring in the Biden cabinet!
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Ok. Fair. How many government employees, at the highest levels, have ASKED for and received, donations for their legal expenses? More details here. How many were self proclaimed billionaires? How many that actually grifted attorneys' fees have been under 4 federal indictments? Well, 3 right now. How many of them threatened the prosecutors? Multiple times? Who are the attorneys that have steadfastly, stuck by him? Why did a handful of Trump Republicans in Congress proactively ask for pardons? Oh but, the documents were planted. No wait, and then the documents were declassified simply because I thought it in my mind.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
NO .... and HELL, NO!

Joe Biden won Michigan by 154,000 votes. There was never going to be a recount, unless the Trump Campaign paid for it (Yeah, right!). This was known when the electors were appointed in mid-December and when the electoral college met and voted.

It was simply not possible for Trump's pending law suits to erase a 154,000 vote margin! ... and they were all thrown out of court, anyway!
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Again if Trump lawsuit had come true and he won, it was for more then enough votes to overturn MI. If he would have had a chance he for sure had the money to pay from it.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Again if Trump lawsuit had come true and he won, it was for more then enough votes to overturn MI. If he would have had a chance he for sure had the money to pay from it.
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No, it wasn't. There was no way for that to happen. Kennedy wasn't relying upon a law suit in 1960. He was relying upon a mandatory recount, because of how close the state was.

Trump didn't have a chance, because the state of Michigan was not close. You are making a ridiculous argument here.
 
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Orangeburst said:
seriously that is the issue though..they have federalized social policy with requirements for massive funding and basically authoritarian policies dictated to a vast diverse nation.
their very ideology is founded on social policy. It has become such a central theme that I don’t see anything to compromise. I cannot think of one dem policy that doesn’t grow fed government and power.
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Pretty much why I’m not a democrat anymore
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, it wasn't. There was no way for that to happen. Kennedy wasn't relying upon a law suit in 1960. He was relying upon a mandatory recount, because of how close the state was.

Trump didn't have a chance, because the state of Michigan was not close. You are making a ridiculous argument here.
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The lawsuits challenged more the enough votes....Kennedy still had the lawsuit to getbthe recount. We will have to agree to disagree...The courts will sort it out, question is if Trump is acquitted of the fake elector scheme are you gonna come back and admit your wrong, I will if he is convicted.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Not sure what that means….but I like the guy and his beliefs so far. I don’t identify with a party anymore. I have my beliefs and they have not changed. I’m not selling out to follow any party
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one has to pick their litmus tests. Something like abortion being a litmus just blows my mind when it hasnt even been banned and can be mitigated easily by other methods. Frankly it is off the table anyways and cannot be federally legislated, but people will vote fed positions based on it.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
The lawsuits challenged more the enough votes....Kennedy still had the lawsuit to getbthe recount. We will have to agree to disagree...The courts will sort it out, question is if Trump is acquitted of the fake elector scheme are you gonna come back and admit your wrong, I will if he is convicted.
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That is an absolutely ridiculous false equivalency. The Kennedy/Nixon recount in Hawaii was because of how close the election was. No Trump law suit was going to erase a 154,000 vote margin ... and the United States Constitution makes no provision for a Vice President to cast aside electoral college votes of his own choosing, just because of some pending law suits.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is an absolutely ridiculous false equivalency. The Kennedy/Nixon recount in Hawaii was because of how close the election was. No Trump law suit was going to erase a 154,000 vote margin ... and the United States Constitution makes no provision for a Vice President to cast aside electoral college votes of his own choosing, just because of some pending law suits.
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You do realize that the court will decide this...just because the great BB85 declares it on a message board doesn't make it so...so again if he is acquitted are you going to admit your wrong???
 
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whodeycin85 said:
You do realize that the court will decide this...just because the great BB85 declares it on a message board doesn't make it so...so again if he is acquitted are you going to admit your wrong???
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About what?

The "alternate elector" scheme was illegal. I will never say otherwise. There is no provision in the United States Constitution which allows the Vice President to discriminately refuse to count electoral college votes during the formal process of certification. The role of the Vice President during certification is strictly procedural. The VP calls the electoral college votes into roll. That's it.

Allowing a sitting Vice President to decide which electoral college votes should and shouldn't be counted would be antithetical to a democratic system of elections, which is predicated on the principle that the people elect both their state and local Congressional representation, as well as the leadership of their state, local and federal governments. It would also be an illogical conflict of interest, because the sitting Vice President will often be on the ballot.

It would have rained frogs from the GOP, if then-Vice President Al Gore had refused to count the electoral college votes from the state of Florida on January 6, 2001.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
About what?

The "alternate elector" scheme was illegal. I will never say otherwise. There is no provision in the United States Constitution which allows the Vice President to discriminately refuse to count electoral college votes during the formal process of certification. The role of the Vice President during certification is strictly procedural. The VP calls the electoral college votes into roll. That's it.

Allowing a sitting Vice President to decide which electoral college votes should and shouldn't be counted would be antithetical to a democratic system of elections, which is predicated on the principle that the people elect both their state and local Congressional representation, as well as the leadership of their state, local and federal governments. It would also be an illogical conflict of interest, because the Vice President will often be on the ballot.

I can't imagine the frogs that would have rained down from the GOP, if then-Vice President Al Gore had refused to count the electoral college votes from the state of Florida on January 6, 2001.
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The court will decide if it's illegal....so you won't accept the court decision???? Very Trump like of you...I guess we are done here...
 
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whodeycin85 said:
The court will decide if it's illegal....so you won't accept the court decision???? Very Trump like of you...I guess we are done here...
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Serious question ...

What if Al Gore had refused to count electoral college votes from Florida on January 6, 2001? Are you suggesting that was his right? Because the state of Florida had most definitely been contested with law suits, and unlike Michigan in 2020, the state of Florida was close in 2000. Bush won Florida by only 537 votes, and that one state determined the outcome of the entire election.

It makes no sense that a Vice President would have such power in a democratic system of elections. Republicans would never make such an argument while a Democrat was in office. The alternate elector scheme was a completely self-serving stunt. which Republicans would aggressively fight, if a President from the Democratic Party ever tried to retain the office in such a manner.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
By the way…. This is all political theater for you morons just to maintain the status quo.
Nothing is actually going to happen
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Haven’t I heard that somewhere before?

Not that I disagree though. The show must go on!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Serious question ...

What if Al Gore had refused to count electoral college votes from Florida on January 6, 2001? Are you suggesting that was his right? Because the state of Florida had most definitely been contested with law suits, and unlike Michigan in 2020, the state of Florida was close in 2000. Bush won Florida by only 537 votes, and that one state determined the outcome of the entire election.

It makes no sense that a Vice President would have such power in a democratic system of elections. Republicans would never make such an argument while a Democrat was in office. The alternate elector scheme was a completely self-serving stunt. which Republicans would aggressively fight, if a President from the Democratic Party ever tried to retain the office in such a manner.
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Al Gore could have...your missing where Nixon rejected them but had to get unanimous consent to use the other electors...but he did reject his own electors.
 
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