The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[jmacvols1]

Rudy Giuliani admits to making 'false' statements about Georgia election workers

^^^^ NY Post ^^^^

I deliberately selected a right wing media outlet.

The lies about Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss have been de-bunked six ways to Sunday for over two years ... If you haven't seen that, then you either live in a cave, or a right wing echo chamber.

I have seen nothing debunking the videos of Ruby Freeman.


https://www.oann.com/newsroom/dershowitz-the-4th-trump-indictment-is-very-very-dangerous/


45th President Donald Trump was indicted for the fourth time Monday night on a slew of charges in relation to alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election results.

“This indictment is very, very dangerous,” criminal defense attorney Alan Dershowitz told One America News.​

“This changes the rules of the game,” Dershowitz said. “This basically says RICO is not just applicable to organized crime or to organized, commercial crime with hierarchies, but it also applies to protests against election results. It’s going to deter and chill people from challenging legitimate election results.”​

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The 98-page indictment claims Trump worked with his alleged co-conspirators to “unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump.”

But Dershowitz points out that it is not illegal to challenge the results of elections.

“Let’s remember, we have a process for challenging elections,” Dershowitz said. “It involves alternate electors. It involves going to court. What this indictment basically says is if you do that, we’re going to indict you.”​

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yeah, that’s really close and it means some of these cases will be in court during the primaries.

Do you really think 2.5 years is how long it took all of these charges to be brought? Or is the timing intentional?

Bull $hit. We haven't even had the first Republican Party debate yet. That is crazy.

 

[OrangeBoro]

You know how Trump could have avoided this mess? Acted like every other losing presidential candidate in this nation's history -- admit defeat and leave with dignity.

Only thing that would have stopped this was if Trump never run for president. The left and swamp was out to get him from day 1

 

[BowlBrother85]

I have seen nothing debunking the videos of Ruby Freeman.


https://www.oann.com/newsroom/dershowitz-the-4th-trump-indictment-is-very-very-dangerous/


45th President Donald Trump was indicted for the fourth time Monday night on a slew of charges in relation to alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election results.

“This indictment is very, very dangerous,” criminal defense attorney Alan Dershowitz told One America News.​

“This changes the rules of the game,” Dershowitz said. “This basically says RICO is not just applicable to organized crime or to organized, commercial crime with hierarchies, but it also applies to protests against election results. It’s going to deter and chill people from challenging legitimate election results.”​

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The 98-page indictment claims Trump worked with his alleged co-conspirators to “unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump.”

But Dershowitz points out that it is not illegal to challenge the results of elections.

“Let’s remember, we have a process for challenging elections,” Dershowitz said. “It involves alternate electors. It involves going to court. What this indictment basically says is if you do that, we’re going to indict you.”​

Probably because you live in a right wing echo chamber and are searching on places such as OAN.

Look ... Giuliani has admitted that they were lies, but if you want me to post proof here, I will post links. I just don't think you will ever click on them. You don't want to know the truth. You only want an echo chamber.

 

[hog88]

Bull $hit. We haven't even had the first Republican Party debate yet. That is crazy.

It takes months, even years for cases to go to trial. 5 months out from the first primary is cutting it damn close.

 

[Septic]

He should’ve just left and called dementia Joe an “illegitimate president”.

He should have. He'd have been wrong, but at least he wouldn't have committed felonies.

 

[Vol8188]

i wish so one would ask Trump why he is running again and how he expects to win if he thinks there was election fraud.

And that’s 100% why the GOP should abandon all support for trump.

 

[Septic]

It takes months, even years for cases to go to trial. 5 months out from the first primary is cutting it damn close.

This must be devastating for the Trump campaign.

Certainly, they would want this to go to trial quickly so they can show all the election fraud proof. Call all the witnesses etc.

That's what they want right?

 

[GAVol]

Bull $hit. We haven't even had the first Republican Party debate yet. That is crazy.

The point - for at least some of these charges - has always been to have this hanging over the primary season.

 

[Septic]

And that’s 100% why the GOP should abandon all support for trump.

Only way you guarantee that Biden doesn't get four more years.

 

[GAVol]

This must be devastating for the Trump campaign.

Certainly, they would want this to go to trial quickly so they can show all the election fraud proof. Call all the witnesses etc.

That's what they want right?

Sure it's what they want . . . right after they fundraise the crap out of this. lol

 

[GAVol]

And that’s 100% why the GOP should abandon all support for trump.

I can't for the life of me understand what makes anybody look at this guy and think he'd be a good idea to try again.

 

[Septic]

Sure it's what they want . . . right after they fundraise the crap out of this. lol

Anybody donating a nickel to a millionaire campaign legal fund is nuts. So I'm sure he'll have plenty of money.

 

[GAVol]

Anybody donating a nickel to a millionaire campaign legal fund is nuts. So I'm sure he'll have plenty of money.

I'm convinced Donald Trump is a walking Jedi mind trick.

 

[Septic]

I can't for the life of me understand what makes anybody look at this guy and think he'd be a good idea to try again.

Because he "sticks it to the libs."

That's it.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The point - for at least some of these charges - has always been to have this hanging over the primary season.

I believe that Trump announced his candidacy as soon as he did, because he wanted to have the "They are just doing this, because I'm running for President," response ready.

So ... I guess we are both pretending that we have the ability to read minds? Aren't we fortunate.

 

[OrangeBoro]

It takes months, even years for cases to go to trial. 5 months out from the first primary is cutting it damn close.

That was the plan all along

 

[Zues1]

I tell you what I want. Someone other than the last two clowns to get elected.
Personally I'm tired of seeing our country turned into a damn soap opera.
Look at both of these candidates and their families,( without rose colored glasses.)
Can you honestly say you are proud either one has been the president of the USA ?

 

[Septic]

Only thing that would have stopped this was if Trump never run for president. The left and swamp was out to get him from day 1

Nah. They were coming after him either way.

Make an example of a guy trying to actually steal an election.

 

[hog88]

This must be devastating for the Trump campaign.

Certainly, they would want this to go to trial quickly so they can show all the election fraud proof. Call all the witnesses etc.

That's what they want right?

I have no clue what's going through their minds. He should withdraw if he had any sense.

 

[LadyVolette]

‘Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes

^^^^ This was Donald Trump demanding that his Attorney General, William Barr, arrest Joe Biden in October of 2020. Trump would also encourage his supporters to protest in favor of Biden's arrest before the 2020 Presidential Election.

Protesters at William Barr's Virginia home demand Joe Biden arrest

^^^^ This happened on November 1, 2020. Just a few days before the 2020 Presidential Election. A crowd of Trump supporters showed up at William Barr's home to protest in favor of Joe Biden being arrested. The Trump supporters calling this a political prosecution, can cry us a river. They would have loved it, if Joe Biden had been arrested right before the election.

The ‘crowd’ was probably a handful of people and Trump kind of went rogue from the party as a whole at times That’s okay, we are going to have to agree to disagree.. I do appreciate a civil debate and welcome it as well, I think we are like- minded in that respect

 

[Septic]

I have no clue what's going through their minds. He should withdraw if he had any sense.

He can't. An outside shot of pardoning himself is his only lifeline.

The die has been cast.

These RICO charges appear to be something he can't have pardoned or commuted.

It must be particularly devastating for Rudy, he made a name for himself prosecuting RICO cases.

 

[OrangeBoro]

Nah. They were coming after him either way.

Make an example of a guy trying to actually steal an election.

The ones who actually stole it will never be held accountable

 

[GVF]

Just trying to understand the prevalence of the whole “can’t prosecute a political opponent” thing.

It's bad form. Sets a precedent for the swampers. They are all criminals. The libs are so blinded by trying to indict Trump for corruption, they've opened pandora's box. Next Republican controlled WH will retaliate. And so on. There's a reason Pelosi hasn't been indicted for the most blatant insider trading in history. If she goes down, they all start dropping like flies for insdier trading.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The ‘crowd’ was probably a handful of people and Trump kind of went rogue from the party as a whole at times That’s okay, we are going to have to agree to disagree.. I do appreciate a civil debate and welcome it as well, I think we are like- minded in that respect

You are wrong ... but I realize that you don't care.