The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[hog88]

it is argued this isnt even the jurisdiction of a county DA.

While eating lunch I saw a pundit on TV suggesting that Trump has a strong case to get GA charges moved to federal court since he was the president at the time of the supposed crimes. I have no idea if he's remotely correct or not.

 

[GVF]

It's not loaded.

I'm simply asking if there's any scenario that would convince you he's not a victim? It's a simple yes or no answer - you seem to be offering up excuses why you wouldn't.

If the evidence is there and he's convicted in a court of law, will you accept it?

In theory, and in reality, yes. But, I have no faith in the integrity of the persuants. So, at this point after the last 6 years I could really care less. I like underdogs. Regardless of their name. And I reserve the right to choose which underdogs I root for.

 

[OrangeBoro]

Well, when your only proof is butthurt, twitter rants and crackpot attorneys, you get what you get.

Hillary called his fat orange ass out in 2016 - he'd never accept defeat, never. He brainwashed you into believing he couldn't be defeated, and you bought it. Most cult leaders are very convincing like that. I'm just thankful Heaven's Gate didn't get their hooks into you.

Interesting you bring up Hillary, is that the same Hillary that still says only reason she lost was due to Russian interference? And you all in the cult of the radical left bought it

 

[GVF]

Well, when your only proof is butthurt, twitter rants and crackpot attorneys, you get what you get.

Hillary called his fat orange ass out in 2016 - he'd never accept defeat, never. He brainwashed you into believing he couldn't be defeated, and you bought it. Most cult leaders are very convincing like that. I'm just thankful Heaven's Gate didn't get their hooks into you.

LOL. She still hasn't accepted defeat for 2016. Plenty of proof on her involvement in that fiasco for retaliatory prosecution.

 

[OrangeBoro]

I'm aware, that's why I said that he can't have pardoned or commuted.

Though I can't imagine a scenario where a sitting president would be compelled to go to jail because of a State conviction.

By that same token, I also can't imagine why a criminally indicted person would be leading in the polls.

I wouldn't hire a guy to cut my grass if he was indicted for 91 felonies in four different jurisdictions.

But you would gladly vote for a corrupt dementia patient who has an obsession with sniffing and fondling babies and toddlers

 

[Orangeburst]

posting a signed indictment before the jury decision..oh my what a **** show.
no politics involved

 

[Majors]

Track record. The entire "we'll get Trump if it's the last thing we do" saga that started before he moved into the WH, is taken straight from the story of the boy who cried wolf. In the end it matters not if he is guilty of any one single thing, no one is going to believe it cause it all still comes from the same boy that is still crying wolf.

5th indictment in a holding pattern. But you’re correct all of this isn’t new and was orchestrated by the left when he became the nominee. Had he kept paying liberal donations all of this ain’t happening and no need for tax returns.

 

[RockyTop85]

It’s not coincidental that all of these charges are coming in the later half 2023. I don’t think anyone really believes it took 2.5 years to investigate.

But no, it’s Biden pulling the strings.

Biden doesn’t have to be directing for it to a political prosecution. Whoever is pulling Biden’s strings is who’s directing this. Biden is just a living, breathing puppet.

It's bad form. Sets a precedent for the swampers. They are all criminals. The libs are so blinded by trying to indict Trump for corruption, they've opened pandora's box. Next Republican controlled WH will retaliate. And so on. There's a reason Pelosi hasn't been indicted for the most blatant insider trading in history. If she goes down, they all start dropping like flies for insdier trading.

Okay, but this is all based on speculation, right?

We’ve had several situations involving actual evidence of Trump’s attempts at influence over prosecutorial or investigative decisions and there was never sufficient evidence to satisfy those who would even concede it was a big deal.

But now mere speculation or an appearance of impropriety is sufficient?

Except that wasn’t the case with Hunter Biden, where there was clearly a plausible political motive at inception but no actual evidence of political interference, and there is actual evidence of wrongdoing by him (there is here, as well). Nobody here has seriously complained that that is an illegitimate prosecution since the facts came out that I can remember. That seems like the most comparable situation, to me.

Could well be ignoring or misremembering some nuance of your individual views, but I just can’t reconcile the idea that Trump was within the body of the bell curve (or even the tail) of acceptable behavior but what’s being done to him isn’t. You have to change your mind about the former (in which case, prosecution may still be justified on the facts) or there has to be some more evidence of the latter.

 

[Septic]

It will be years before we know if these charges and/or convictions will stick.

The time frame isn't important.

My guess is that his supporters won't accept it, ever. Long after the appeals process, long after he's dead and gone. Doing so would be an admission that they dutifully supported a traitor to our Constitution after it was pointed out and shouted from the roof tops.

The continued support in spite of the evidence will be fascinating to watch unfold. I anticipate lots of mental gymnastics to reconcile disappointing realities to soften the cognitive dissonance.

 

[BowlBrother85]

THe link is to Dershowitz, a Democrat, and what he said about this sham indictment..

And what Giuliani says is of his own business and does not debunk the tapes of Ms Freeman. You seem to follow Giuliani more than I, what has he said about the tapes?

Here is what Trump has said:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump


The Ruby Freeman tapes that I put up on Truth Social are AMAZING. Now they have been heard and seen all over America, together with the actual act of “stuffing the ballot boxes” with far more votes than needed for me, and Senator Perdue, to win GEORGIA. At first she thought that they had been caught, got VERY nervous, and wanted to “spill the beans” on everyone. Then the SOS, GBI, FBI, calmed her down, helped CLEAN her social media, took her away (for two months!). SHE THEN CHANGED HER STORY!

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They were distortions. OAN admitted their allegations were false, as a term of their settlement with Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss.

OAN Admits Ruby Freeman, Wandrea Moss Didn't Commit Fraud

Georgia poll workers accused in Trump-backed conspiracy theories cleared of election fraud allegations

Georgia poll workers targeted by Trump are cleared of false election fraud claims

Georgia Election Board Dismisses Fraud Claim Against Poll Workers

I will be back with more links in a minute. There are about 100 of these. This will take some time.

 

[Septic]

Track record. The entire "we'll get Trump if it's the last thing we do" saga that started before he moved into the WH, is taken straight from the story of the boy who cried wolf. In the end it matters not if he is guilty of any one single thing, no one is going to believe it cause it all still comes from the same boy that is still crying wolf.

I can't imagine anything worse than using Trumps track record as reason for continued support. He rarely followed through with his promises.

 

[GVF]

Okay, but this is all based on speculation, right?

We’ve had several situations involving actual evidence of Trump’s attempts at influence over prosecutorial or investigative decisions and there was never sufficient evidence to satisfy those who would even concede it was a big deal.

But now mere speculation or an appearance of impropriety is sufficient?

Except that wasn’t the case with Hunter Biden, where there was clearly a plausible political motive at inception but no actual evidence of political interference, and there is actual evidence of wrongdoing (there is here, as well). Nobody here has seriously complained that that is an illegitimate prosecution since the facts came out that I can remember. That seems like the most comparable situation, to me.

Could well be ignoring or misremembering some nuance of your individual views, but I just can’t reconcile the idea that Trump was within the body of the bell curve (or even the tail) of acceptable behavior but what’s being done to him isn’t. You have to change your mind about the former (in which case, prosecution may still be justified on the facts) or there has to be some more evidence of the latter.

Geez Louise, get back to your normal self. This sounded like a Kamala word salad.

 

[hog88]

Okay, but this is all based on speculation, right?

We’ve had several situations involving actual evidence of Trump’s attempts at influence over prosecutorial or investigative decisions and there was never sufficient evidence to satisfy those who would even concede it was a big deal.

But now mere speculation or an appearance of impropriety is sufficient?

Except that wasn’t the case with Hunter Biden, where there was clearly a political motive at inception but no actual evidence of political interference, and there is actual evidence of wrongdoing (there is here, as well). Nobody here has seriously complained that that is an illegitimate prosecution since the facts came out that I can remember. That seems like the most comparable situation, to me.

Could well be ignoring or misremembering some nuance of your individual views, but I just can’t reconcile the idea that Trump was within the body of the bell curve (or even the tail) of acceptable behavior but what’s being done to him isn’t. You have to change your mind about the former (in which case, prosecution may still be justified on the facts) or there has to be some more evidence of the latter.

If Trump wanted Hillary or Biden investigated/charged he could have appointed an AG that would have done it. There was more than ample evidence to charge Hillary so it was a political decision not to do so just as these indictments are political decisions.

 

[Septic]

But you would gladly vote for a corrupt dementia patient who has an obsession with sniffing and fondling babies and toddlers

See, people keep telling you that they hate Biden too and you don't accept it.

Come up with a better retort, not everyone lives in a black and white world where Trump and Biden are the soul occupants.

If you want to be taken serisouly, then you're going to have to start responding to arguments that are being made - not that you wish they had made.

 

[GVF]

I can't imagine anything worse than using Trumps track record as reason for continued support. He rarely followed through with his promises.

Interesting considering the laundry list of all the policies he implemented that were working great and SloJoe effed it all up.

 

[Septic]

LOL. She still hasn't accepted defeat for 2016. Plenty of proof on her involvement in that fiasco for retaliatory prosecution.

She called Trump the next day and offered her congratulations.

It's not the flex you think it is.

 

[GVF]

If Trump wanted Hillary or Biden investigated/charged he could have appointed an AG that would have done it. There was more than ample evidence to charge Hillary so it was a political decision not to do so just as these indictments are political decisions.

Only the favor was not returned, so the cross will burn.

 

[Septic]

Interesting considering the laundry list of all the policies he implemented that were working great and SloJoe effed it all up.

Remember what I said about deflection and redirection?

 

[GVF]

She called Trump the next day and offered her congratulations.

It's not the flex you think it is.

BS. She went through every day time host and every other public avenue compaining why she lost. For years and years.

 

[hog88]

The time frame isn't important.

My guess is that his supporters won't accept it, ever. Long after the appeals process, long after he's dead and gone. Doing so would be an admission that they dutifully supported a traitor to our Constitution after it was pointed out and shouted from the roof tops.

The continued support in spite of the evidence will be fascinating to watch unfold. I anticipate lots of mental gymnastics to reconcile disappointing realities to soften the cognitive dissonance.

Traitor to the constitution? Come on, that's BS hysteria. Our last 5 presidents (including Biden in this) could be labeled traitors to the constitution if we want to be hysterical.

But to your larger point, who cares if people never accept it?

 

[GVF]

Remember what I said about deflection and redirection?

Yes. And you are very accomplished. Right up there with Luth. Though maybe not as bats in the bellfry.

 

[Septic]

BS. She went through every day time host and every other public avenue compaining why she lost. For years and years.

But did she try and overturn the election in courts, using fake electors or through intimidation? Public complaints aren't really why Trump is being indicted.

Distinction and difference.

One is a 1st amendment right the other is well... A RICO indictment, as we're finding out.

 

[Majors]

But you would gladly vote for a corrupt dementia patient who has an obsession with sniffing and fondling babies and toddlers

Showering with a daughter at the age old enough to remember and be uncomfortable.

 

[Matt2496]

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[jmacvols1]

They were distortions. OAN admitted their allegations were false, as a term of their settlement with Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss.

OAN Admits Ruby Freeman, Wandrea Moss Didn't Commit Fraud

Georgia poll workers accused in Trump-backed conspiracy theories cleared of election fraud allegations

Georgia poll workers targeted by Trump are cleared of false election fraud claims

Georgia Election Board Dismisses Fraud Claim Against Poll Workers

I will be back with more links in a minute. There are about 100 of these. This will take some time.

I am not talking about suitcases under the table, that may have been legit all along. I am talking about the tape where she admits fraud happened...that has not been debunked.