The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[RockyTop85]

If you want to be taken serisouly, then you're going to have to start responding to arguments that are being made - not that you wish they had made.

To be fair, the evidence does not support that one needs to do this to be taken seriously.

Nonsensically throwing out canned arguments is a PF pastime.

 

[hog88]

I think I had you confused with somebody else.

It reads clearly to me, but I can summarize:
You and @hog88 sound like partisan bitches for grieving about this but standing by Trump through an impeachment that was based on trying to do what you claim Biden has done.

Standing by Trump? How do any of my posts qualify as standing by Trump? Is it simply the fact that you posted a nonsensical partisan thought and I countered it with logic and reason? Did that get your sensitive hackles up leading you to lash out?

 

[whodeycin85]

It's not loaded.

I'm simply asking if there's any scenario that would convince you he's not a victim? It's a simple yes or no answer - you seem to be offering up excuses why you wouldn't.

If the evidence is there and he's convicted in a court of law, will you accept it?

Is there a scenario you'd accept his Innocence??

If he is guilty convict him..

 

[Franklin Pierce]

LOL!!!!

At first, in "The World According to Trump" .... She was hitting it with a gang banger. Now, she is a Black Panther. I can't wait for what's next.

Become a detective and find out who is the mother of Fani Willis, and why the mother of a District Attorney that is prosecuting a presidential candidate, is hidden from the public.

 

[Septic]

It’s one or the other. You are either with us or against us. And I really DAF what you libs think of me

I feel sorry for you.

Not enough to not mock your inability to think critically, but it is sad.

 

[hog88]

I'm not aware of those - but if she did, as you say - seek to overturn the election by using fraud or ginned up evidence in the courts - and TRUMP ran on the "lock her up" tag line.

Why didn't he? Yall should be mad AF about that.

Well I didn't vote for Trump in '16 or '20 so why should I be mad? I could probably do a search of my posts in 2016 and find one saying he wasn't going to do **** to Hillary. Pretty sure I'd find at least one.

 

[Septic]

Is there a scenario you'd accept his Innocence??

If he is guilty convict him..

Sure, if he's acquitted.

100%

I suppose the PC answer is something, something innocent until proven guilty - but I think Donny is Dogsh*t and absolutely believe he's capable of this.

 

[RockyTop85]

Standing by Trump? How do any of my posts qualify as standing by Trump? Is it simply the fact that you posted a nonsensical partisan thought and I countered it with logic and reason? Did that get your sensitive hackles up leading you to lash out?

He asked for a more understandable summary and I gave him one.

Your definition of logic and reason is pretty wild given that your response is that Biden is actually controlled by some higher power, that higher power is wrong to be directing this prosecution, but it was okay when Trump tried to direct prosecutions.

That’s not logic and reason that’s making up a fantasy land to mask your complete lack of principles. Some of it sounds like the product of advanced mental illness and wasn’t really worth responding to, but since you insisted…

 

[jmacvols1]

Yes, it has ... That video was included as part of the Georgia Election Board investigation, and included as part of the defamation law suit filed against OAN. That is a distortion of what was being discussed. Every single allegation of election fraud against both Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss has been de-bunked. Don't you care about the truth at all?

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/26/1190173929/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers

Unless I missed it, I did not see in the link you posted where it debunks the police cam tape where she admitted fraud. Nor did I read anything in the link that Trump did that was "criminal".

The below is a video of an exchange that took place...maybe it was a thumb drive maybe it was a ginger mint as Freeman claimed...we will never know the truth.....

 

[hog88]

Done as a politician?

You know he's leading the GOP race for president, right?

I mean - I don't think he'll beat Biden but he's still the leader of the republican party.

Yes, good point. I should rephrase, he's done as far as being electable.

 

[Septic]

Trump was apparently offering a you owe me one olive branch, and she broke ranks.

BS. That'd be a sign of weakness and he'd never do that.

He didn't because he knew he couldn't. Donny is all about revenge, it's who he is. You hit him, he hit's back.

Suggesting he let her off the hook as a sign of benevolence is crazy talk.

 

[Septic]

Yes, good point. I should rephrase, he's done as far as being electable.

On that we agree.

There's about 35% of the electorate who is going ride or die with him and give us four more years of puddinhead.

They'll wonder how it happened, again.

 

[turbovol]

“Nearly all”-the documents case I agree with. The rest seem to be major stretches and they all seem to be occurring just in time for the primaries.

Weird right?

there's no legal "stretch" involved in indicting someone for trying to bully a State Secretary (head of elections) until manipulating the vote count so that he, the president, wins instead of loses. There's no stretch involved in lying to the American people for weeks about election fraud, trying to subvert a U.S. election and inciting an attack on the U.S. Capitol. that got people killed That's about as cut and dry as it gets. But MAGA get mad when progressives don't sing the national anthem! Oh, my!

 

[Vol8188]

there's no legal "stretch" involved in indicting someone for trying to bully a State Secretary (head of elections) until manipulating the vote count so that he, the president, wins instead of loses. There's no stretch involved in lying to the American people for weeks about election fraud, trying to subvert a U.S. election and inciting an attack on the U.S. Capitol. that got people killed That's about as cut and dry as it gets. But MAGA get mad when progressives don't sing the national anthem! Oh, my!

You named a lot of things he wasn’t charged with. Good job.

 

[RockyTop85]

On that we agree.

There's about 35% of the electorate who is going ride or die with him and give us four more years of puddinhead.

They'll wonder how it happened, again.

It will be close. Turnout for Biden will be depressed by him being a bungler too and because the thing that’s being bungled is no longer a disease that’s killing people in droves.

I think Trump joking about Covid while people were dying won the election for Biden. Nothing else has really changed except Covid as a daily threat went away and the economy has partially recovered.

 

[turbovol]

It is starting to look rather Venezuela-esque up in here (meaning our country).. persecute and prosecute your opponents

Naaaa. We have laws in this country. They apply to everybody. If you don't think Trump is a brazen law-breaker, then, well, you've got problems.

 

[0nelilreb]

LOL.....I thought he actually just wanted to meet for lunch.
I had no idea he was that overly sensitive.

I’ll meet you for lunch you old liberal but I’m not buying . I have standards . I’ll buy the beer

 

[GVF]

Sure, if he's acquitted.

100%

That's more than Luther can own up to

 

[turbovol]

You named a lot of things he wasn’t charged with. Good job.

These are the incidents at the heart of it, ace. Yes, the actual /legal/ charges are different but all encompass these acts.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Unless I missed it, I did not see in the link you posted where it debunks the police cam tape where she admitted fraud. Nor did I read anything in the link that Trump did that was "criminal".

The below is a video of an exchange that took place...maybe it was a thumb drive maybe it was a ginger mint as Freeman claimed...we will never know the truth.....

As I said, .... that video you posted was included as part of the defamation settlement against OAN. They had aired the video. It was a part of what they admitted was false. Ruby Freeman did not admit to committing election fraud in that video. It is misrepresented. The video was also included in the investigation conducted by the Georgia Election Board. Both Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Shaye Moss, were cleared of election fraud by the Georgia Election Board. On top of the fact, that Rudy Giuiani has also admitted that his allegations against them were also false.

At this point, it really just seems like you are either too stubborn/proud to admit that you are wrong, or you are such a Trump fanatic, that you must believe that the election was rigged. It's too much a part of your belief system. You are too invested in it to ever change course.

 

[Vol8188]

These are the incidents at the heart of it, ace. Yes, the actual /legal/ charges are different but all encompass these acts.

Why are they different? If he “incited” people for example, why not charge that?

 

[hog88]

He asked for a more understandable summary and I gave him one.

Your definition of logic and reason is pretty wild given that your response is that Biden is actually controlled by some higher power, that higher power is wrong to be directing this prosecution, but it was okay when Trump tried to direct prosecutions.

That’s not logic and reason that’s making up a fantasy land to mask your complete lack of principles. Some of it sounds like the product of advanced mental illness and wasn’t really worth responding to, but since you insisted…

Ahh, I see the problem now. You lack comprehension skills.

If you think Biden is in control you are more delusional than I thought. He is a puppet, who is pulling his strings I'm not exactly sure but it isn't Joe Biden making any major decisions. Yes I do firmly believe that whoever is behind the curtain pulling the strings is directing the timing and course of these indictments and politics is the driving force.

I never said it was "okay" (you sound like Donjo using that term) when Trump tried to order Barr to prosecute Hillary or Biden. What I said is that IF Trump really wanted either prosecuted he would have appointed an AG that would have done it. With Hillary at least there was ample evidence to justify a prosecution. But Trump didn't "AG shop" to get his wishes and most likely the reason was political just like the various prosecutions of Trump is political.

 

[LadyVolette]

Naaaa. We have laws in this country. They apply to everybody. If you don't think Trump is a brazen law-breaker, then, well, you've got problems.

Wow. Hostile… lol no, Trump is not pure as the driven snow.. but they are getting kind of out of control with all of this.. why not take a look at the actual problems we currently have going on in the White House currently? Just a thought.. we have hookers, blow, pay for play, bribery, money laundering, and very likely possible treason.. but no, let’s look at things from 2020 lmao

 

[GVF]

BS. That'd be a sign of weakness and he'd never do that.

He didn't because he knew he couldn't. Donny is all about revenge, it's who he is. You hit him, he hit's back.

Suggesting he let her off the hook as a sign of benevolence is crazy talk.

Maybe so, but something compelled him to hold back. As we have seen, the evidence certainly exists that Hills & Co were dirty as GA clay on all that. Definitely out of character. Except he used to run in that pack. Prob couldn't afford to take her down and expect to survive the bones in the closet.

 

[hog88]

On that we agree.

There's about 35% of the electorate who is going ride or die with him and give us four more years of puddinhead.

They'll wonder how it happened, again.

Puddinhead will not be reelected or even run in the general.