The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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AM64 said:
It's like beating on a three foot thick rubber wall with a sledge hammer. Nothing gets through and they don't even hear the banging. Something else I've noticed is that "fact checkers" are pretty consistently aligned with the dem party; there seems to be a message in that.
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The dems control media and big tech. The press secretary has said as much on a couple occasions. That's why they've told everyone to hate Elon Musk... they can't control him.

That said, I'm still willing to engage in a friendly debate. Even if we don't get anywhere, both sides can learn new things. I just get frustrated when the insults start getting thrown around, because I get sucked into that easily. I can dish it out as well as I can take it, but it's not productive.
 
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jwilliams said:
There's lots of credible proof, but you have to look at it in the aggregate. I've considered compiling everything into a single post, but nobody would read it because, well... frankly I don't think anyone is open to having their mind changed. Why not start with the ballot harvesting... true the vote put together some pretty compelling evidence of fraud there. Did you see 2000 Mules? What was your opinion of their findings?
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There is no credible evidence of systemic voter fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election, significant enough in nature to have altered the outcome of even one state, let alone some combination of 3 swing states that Trump would have needed to flip in order to win.

Just like every other source, the Dinesh D'Souza documentary "2000 Mules" has been thoroughly discredited, including by Attorney General William Barr.

apnews.com

FACT FOCUS: Gaping holes in the claim of 2K ballot ‘mules’

A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week uses a flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box surveillance footage to cast doubt on the results of the 2020 presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended.
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www.poynter.org

Former AG Bill Barr discredited the ‘2,000 Mules’ voter fraud film in a Jan. 6 hearing - Poynter

The documentary alleged massive voter fraud involving ballot drop boxes and cellphone location data but, as Barr detailed, it does not prove its claims.
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www.nytimes.com

A Big Lie in a New Package (Published 2022)

A new documentary from Trump allies makes the latest case the election was stolen, but the group behind the claim has been assailed even by some on the hard right.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

I promise you, there is not one single allegation of voter fraud that you can point towards, which I can't immediately de-bunk. I've been doing this for over 2 years now. This is an epic level of immature, sour grapes by a collection of people, who refuse to accept that they cannot wish themselves into an alternate reality in which Donald Trump won the 2020 Presidential Election.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is no credible evidence of systemic voter fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election, significant enough in nature to have altered the outcome of even one state, let alone some combination of 3 swing states that Trump would have needed to flip in order to win.

Just like every other source, the Dinesh D'Souza documentary "2000 Mules" has been thoroughly discredited, including by Attorney General William Barr.

apnews.com

FACT FOCUS: Gaping holes in the claim of 2K ballot ‘mules’

A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week uses a flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box surveillance footage to cast doubt on the results of the 2020 presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended.
apnews.com apnews.com

www.poynter.org

Former AG Bill Barr discredited the ‘2,000 Mules’ voter fraud film in a Jan. 6 hearing - Poynter

The documentary alleged massive voter fraud involving ballot drop boxes and cellphone location data but, as Barr detailed, it does not prove its claims.
www.poynter.org www.poynter.org

www.nytimes.com

A Big Lie in a New Package (Published 2022)

A new documentary from Trump allies makes the latest case the election was stolen, but the group behind the claim has been assailed even by some on the hard right.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

I promise you, there is not one single allegation of voter fraud that you can point to wards, which I can't immediately de-bunk. I've been doing this for over 2 years now. This is an epic level of immature, sour grapes by a collection of people, who refuse to accept that they cannot wish themselves into an alternate reality in which Donald Trump won the 2020 Presidential Election.
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Okay, I will read these. However, I asked what YOU thought of it.
 
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AM64 said:
It's like beating on a three foot thick rubber wall with a sledge hammer. Nothing gets through and they don't even hear the banging. Something else I've noticed is that "fact checkers" are pretty consistently aligned with the dem party; there seems to be a message in that.
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Really? Because William Barr has de-bunked many of these allegations himself. He was Trump's Attorney General, and he is as far from being a Democrat as one can get. You are ignorant and just flat out wrong. There is a pitiful element to this. You are like a child.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is no credible evidence of systemic voter fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election, significant enough in nature to have altered the outcome of even one state, let alone some combination of 3 swing states that Trump would have needed to flip in order to win.

Just like every other source, the Dinesh D'Souza documentary "2000 Mules" has been thoroughly discredited, including by Attorney General William Barr.

apnews.com

FACT FOCUS: Gaping holes in the claim of 2K ballot ‘mules’

A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week uses a flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box surveillance footage to cast doubt on the results of the 2020 presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended.
apnews.com apnews.com

www.poynter.org

Former AG Bill Barr discredited the ‘2,000 Mules’ voter fraud film in a Jan. 6 hearing - Poynter

The documentary alleged massive voter fraud involving ballot drop boxes and cellphone location data but, as Barr detailed, it does not prove its claims.
www.poynter.org www.poynter.org

www.nytimes.com

A Big Lie in a New Package (Published 2022)

A new documentary from Trump allies makes the latest case the election was stolen, but the group behind the claim has been assailed even by some on the hard right.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

I promise you, there is not one single allegation of voter fraud that you can point towards, which I can't immediately de-bunk. I've been doing this for over 2 years now. This is an epic level of immature, sour grapes by a collection of people, who refuse to accept that they cannot wish themselves into an alternate reality in which Donald Trump won the 2020 Presidential Election.
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which is not precise enough to confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to experts.
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The DOJ has set precedence that geolocation from cell phones is admissible as evidence in a court of law, so why is it not good enough here?

For example, Larry Campbell, a voter in Michigan who was not featured in the film, told The Associated Press he legally dropped off six ballots in a local drop box in 2020 — one for himself, his wife, and his four adult children.
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lol, I saw the video... these people weren't dropping off 6 ballots. They were stuffing dozens into the boxes.

Pennsylvania state Sen. Sharif Street, who was there for the group’s testimony in March, told the AP he was confident he was counted as several of the group’s 1,155 anonymous “mules,” even though he didn’t deposit anything into a drop box in that time period.
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How would he/they know that if it were anonymous data? Bunk.

THE FACTS: This is pure speculation. It ignores far more likely reasons for glove-wearing in the fall and winter of 2020 — cold weather or COVID-19.
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lol... they call it speculation, then lay the facts on us which are... more speculation.

CLAIM: If it weren’t for this ballot collection scheme, former President Donald Trump would have had enough votes to win the 2020 election.
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They did say it could have been enough. They were also very conservative in their estimates, throwing out tons of data. The truth is likely somewhere in between... all of those 2000 people may not have been ballot harvesting, but some were.

So... not enough here to say anything was DEBUNKED, but some decent observations.

Gotta step away, so I'll have to read the others later.
 
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jwilliams said:
Do you have any thoughts of your own, or do you just google and post links. I can go read AP articles myself.
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That's what I mostly do.

When I'm stating facts, such as there is no credible evidence of systemic fraud from the 2020 Presidential Election, I support the facts with links to sources. 2000 Mules was a ridiculous concoction. It was low hanging fruit for de-bunking. And it was mostly Republicans doing the de-bunking.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's what I mostly do.

When I'm stating facts, such as there is no credible evidence of systemic fraud from the 2020 Presidential Election, I support the facts with links to sources. 2000 Mules was a ridiculous concoction. It was low hanging fruit for de-bunking. And it was mostly Republicans doing the de-bunking.
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Well, I tried brother. You clearly didn't actually watch it... you could have just said so and saved me some time. You blindly believe people you've never met without an ounce of critical thinking, yet I'm the idiot. Have a blessed day.
 
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C-south said:
That’s your excuse for everything you don’t agree with. You pull your own conspiracy theories out of your ass and try to use them as a legitimate argument.
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LOL. In the absence of proof to the contrary, I'm accepting an outcome as being legitimate. I don't need a theory.
 
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jwilliams said:
Well, I tried brother. You clearly didn't actually watch it... you could have just said so and saved me some time. You blindly believe people you've never met without an ounce of critical thinking, yet I'm the idiot. Have a blessed day.
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None other than William Barr has discredited that documentary six ways to Sunday. You are believing Dinesh D'Souza. That says a lot.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
LOL. In the absence of proof to the contrary, I'm accepting an outcome as being legitimate. I don't need a theory.
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Except you don’t believe proof that goes against your weak minded narrative. You had people producing forgeries, tearing books apart and rebinding them, then settled on it being a 3 -ring binder. 😂🤣 All things you pulled directly out of your ass. You do it with everything. All you mentally weak emotional wrecks do.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
None other than William Barr has discredited that documentary six ways to Sunday. You are believing Dinesh D'Souza. That says a lot.
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Nope. Said the answer was probably somewhere in the middle, but thanks for playing. You don't know what was in the movie, so how can you say someone ELSE discredited with certainty? It's insane man. Seriously, think about it.
 
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www.cbsnews.com

Donald Trump accuses Ted Cruz of fraud in Iowa, calls for new election

The Republican candidate went on a Twitter tirade Wednesday against the winner of the Iowa GOP caucuses
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^^^^ When you get right down to it ... THIS is what these claims of a rigged election boil down to. ^^^^

It's all about Trump's ego, and a cult following, which cannot think for themselves, and has no life of it's own.

Whether his claims can be proven or not is irrelevant. There is not a scenario in which Donald Trump could ever lose an election, without completely attributing the defeat to some form of cheating or fraud. We know this, because the only other time Trump has lost an election of consequence, was in Iowa in 2016 .... and he did the same thing. The Cult of Trump supported his lies back then as well.
 
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jwilliams said:
Nope. Said the answer was probably somewhere in the middle, but thanks for playing. You don't know what was in the movie, so how can you say someone ELSE discredited with certainty? It's insane man. Seriously, think about it.
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You are insane for believing that crap. Yes, Barr de-bunked it.
 
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