The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[LouderVol]

Beware, you are about to make Trump a martyr.

Be careful of what you wish for. You just might get it.

 

[hog88]

You think they prosecute every campaign violation?

They prosecute very few which makes this a definite witch hunt by an activist DA.

 

[luthervol]

Just curious, to what degree is it "worth" arresting Trump if things end up not mostly peaceful? You can apply whichever end result you want, he is found guilty, or he is found innocent.

Is 130k of campaign financing worth the fallout? The political division in this country, and the pending violence? Someone mentioned 16 people and 2 billion in the peaceful protests. Is that worth 130k?

If you care about this country you find some quiet way to make this go away without sending Trump to jail or even prison. Confine him to house arrest for forever, make him pay a huge fine, and slap him with a felony so he cant run(that's the whole goal of this anyway). But dont send him to jail.

There are 100 ways this ends, 99 of them make things worse, and I have a feeling we are looking at one of the worst worse options of that 100

Valid points.
It brings me back to the republican nominee for president leading thousands of screaming worshipers in chants of "lock her up" in reference to the democratic nominee for president. From what I recall, most all on the right found it hilarious and not damaging or divisive in the least, while those on the left looked on thinking "do they not have a clue as to what they are actually doing to this country?" "Can people actually support this type of nonsense?"

 

[Orangeburst]

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[luthervol]

They prosecute very few which makes this a definite witch hunt by an activist DA.

But they are not prosecuting it primarily as a campaign finance issue, that is simply what bumps it to a felony.

 

[whodeycin85]

There is a shameful lack of accountability from Republicans being directed toward Trump for his role in this situation. This wasn't a media creation. Donald Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, wrote a stripper/porn star Daniels/Clifford a $130,000 check, payable under the condition that she sign a non-disclosure agreement less than one month before the 2016 Presidential Election. None other than Michael Cohen has testified to this before the grand jury.

... and yet, this is all just a "witch hunt", with Donald Trump being an innocent victim of overzealous, prosecutorial misconduct? Sure thing. Trump had no part in this situation at all.

You speak on accountably of the GOP, but when a sitting president had to pay 850k to Paula Jones to settle or Monica Lewinsky...the GOP impeached. It the the Dems controlled Senate that failed to prosecute setting the tone that the behavior was ok...so a private citizen paying another person seems like a private matter unless he used campaign finances or was in office

 

[BowlBrother85]

Beware, you are about to make Trump a martyr.

Be careful of what you wish for. You just might get it.

The only people who will see Trump in a sympathetic light over this situation are the people who would never consider voting for anyone else.

You don't understand... Trump receiving the 2024 Republican Party nomination is a good thing for Democrats. He isn't popular enough with independent voters to win the general.

Trump had a tryst with a porn star while his wife was pregnant and paid the porn star hush money with an NDA attached in order to keep her quiet a month before the 2016 Presidential Election.... The National Enquirer was also involved in this scheme. It is very unseemly.

Martyr ... my a$$.

 

[hog88]

But they are not prosecuting it primarily as a campaign finance issue, that is simply what bumps it to a felony.

It's not a felony unless it's a campaign finance violation.

 

[McDad]

@hog88

Oh, I see it. But it's because the right made "family values" one of their many catch phrases with underlying meaning. The right constantly ridicules the values of the left, they just don't use the term "family values".

good news.
Rs arent the only politicians mocked for family values. But it's their own fault when they are.

 

[hog88]

@hog88
good news.
Rs arent the only politicians mocked for family values. But it's their own fault when they are.

Well deserved IMO.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You speak on accountably of the GOP, but when a sitting president had to pay 850k to Paula Jones to settle or Monica Lewinsky...the GOP impeached. It the the Dems controlled Senate that failed to prosecute setting the tone that the behavior was ok...so a private citizen paying another person seems like a private matter unless he used campaign finances or was in office

Gary Hart was forced out of a race for less than what Trump has done.

 

[Orangeburst]

Lets Go..this is gonna be great

 

[whodeycin85]

Gary Hart was forced out of a race for less than what Trump has done.

And Bill kept his presidency for 2x as more. Your point??

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Poll: Trump Sees Another Boost amid Rumors of Looming Arrest, DeSantis Drops

Former President Donald Trump experienced yet another boost this week amid rumors of a looming arrest, the latest Morning Consult survey, released Tuesday, found.

This week’s Morning Consult survey demonstrates gains for the former president, as he now has 54 percent support — up from 52 percent recorded last week. Meanwhile, his closest potential competitor, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, lost two points, going from 28 percent to 26 percent. In other words, Trump’s lead jumped from +24 to +28 in the last week:

Poll: Trump Sees Another Boost amid Rumors of Looming Arrest, DeSantis Drops

 

[luthervol]

@hog88
good news.
Rs arent the only politicians mocked for family values. But it's their own fault when they are.

I see you selectively didn't understand. "Family Values" is a term co-opted by the right, so obviously it will be used more in reference to the right. The left is mocked by the right for their lack of values. I know it's subtle, but the difference is there.

 

[hog88]

Gary Hart was forced out of a race for less than what Trump has done.

He wasn't forced, unless you mean by his wife.

 

[luthervol]

Lets Go..this is gonna be great

Here's a mental exercise maybe worth taking:
You ask 1,000 randomly selected republicans, "Do you feel that the democratic party is trying to destroy America?"

You ask 1,000 randomly selected democrats, "Do you feel that the republican party is trying to destroy America?"

What would be your estimates of the the results?
Republicans: _______% would answer yes.
Democrats: _______% would answer yes.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Here's a mental exercise maybe worth taking:
You ask 1,000 randomly selected republicans, "Do you feel that the democratic party is trying to destroy America?"

You ask 1,000 randomly selected democrats, "Do you feel that the republican party is trying to destroy America?"

What would be your estimates of the the results?
Republicans: _______% would answer yes.
Democrats: _______% would answer yes.

At this rate, you may actually ask 1000 randomly selected republicans.

 

[volinbham]

Why don't you just provide your estimates? It's just an opinion. Good grief, you guys are so scared to dig down a layer.

15% each.

If it was just an opinion you wouldn't have had to lecture all the political rivals that they need to soul search about why they are so worse than your team. Good grief indeed.

 

[OrangeBoro]

The radical left needs Trump the most, they would the most hurt if Trump went to prison (which he won’t). That’s why they are so obsessed, they fundraise, media gets ratings and allows the radical base to have a bogey man.

 

[CobbVol]

There are some gymnastics going on here. No doubt. However, one fundamental truth will be established: Donald Trump directed Michael Cohen to pay a stripper hush money and obtain an NDA to keep her from hurting his 2016 campaign. PERIOD

Are NDAs common or uncommon after a settlement agreement?

 

[luthervol]

At this rate, you may actually ask 1000 randomly selected republicans.

I guess I should have said, you ask and get responses from..........

I find it telling that no one is willing to offer their opinion, but not surprising.

 

[volinbham]

I guess I should have said, you ask and get responses from..........

I find it telling that no one is willing to offer their opinion, but not surprising.

I offered mine. What does that tell you?

 

[TN Ribs]

Lol. You excited because a blown out nobody porn star nicknamed another man tiny. And I'm the triggered one...

Yes, I love Stormy's takedown of Tiny because he fully deserves the nickname and the embarrassment that comes along with it.
And yes, you are triggered.

 

[luthervol]

15% each.

If it was just an opinion you wouldn't have had to lecture all the political rivals that they need to soul search about why they are so worse than your team. Good grief indeed.

Lecture? Asking people to form an opinion and then consider what that opinion reflects is lecturing?
Never knew introspection was such a volatile concept....but again, that may explain a lot.