The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[Velo Vol]

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[RockyTop85]

You seem to be apart of that problem yourself. I'm attempting to discuss the actual case and you're just repeating "MAGA real bad!", over and over.

Discuss the case, then. Who is stopping you?

I didn’t notice you discussing the legal framework the judge needs to apply or the standard of proof by which the facts need to be established? My apologies. Can you link me to those posts? I’d like to read them before watching only Fani Willis’s testimony, since that’s what you deem most relevant.

I must say, I’m very impressed that they managed to meet their burden through Fani Willis’s testimony, alone. I would have expected that she would just get on the stand and deny everything. And if that had happened, I would need to watch pretty much everything to get any relevant information. But since you’re “discussing the actual case” then I’m sure I can rely on your analysis. So why don’t you explain it to me?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

What a weak attempt to spin to rich white kids getting legacy admissions into the Ivy League.

That has nothing to do with whether or not Emory had/has policies to get more diversity (through standards manipulation) into its ranks.

Just about every University out there, from UT to Harvard, has engaged in that (now illegal) practice.

Ok. Fair enough. Matriculating and graduating only proves it worked to its intent. We don't know though, she wasn't accepted immediately because of undergraduate success. Seeing your bonafides makes me believe you know it's harder, but not because of the comprehension factor of the subject matter. It's the amount of work required at places like Emory that sets them apart.

 

[RockyTop85]

Ok. Fair enough. Matriculating and graduating only proves it worked to its intent. We don't know though, she wasn't accepted immediately because of undergraduate success. Seeing your bonafides makes me believe you know it's harder, but not because of the comprehension factor of the subject matter. It's the amount of work required at places like Emory that sets them apart.

How old is she?

 

[Vol8188]

Discuss the case, then. Who is stopping you?

I didn’t notice you discussing the legal framework the judge needs to apply or the standard of proof by which the facts need to be established? My apologies. Can you link me to those posts? I’d like to read them before watching only Fani Willis’s testimony, since that’s what you deem most relevant.

I must say, I’m very impressed that they managed to meet their burden through Fani Willis’s testimony, alone. I would have expected that she would just get on the stand and deny everything. And if that had happened, I would need to watch pretty much everything to get any relevant information. But since you’re “discussing the actual case” then I’m sure I can rely on your analysis. So why don’t you explain it to me?

Yes, obviously me breaking down the key points of a 2 hour testimony with timestamps just was not enough. I should also provide you the legal framework and then explain everything to you while I’m at it.

Someone’s a grumpy little guy tonight

 

[hog88]

Yes, obviously me breaking down the key points of a 2 hour testimony with timestamps just was not enough. I should also provide you the legal framework and then explain everything to you while I’m at it.

Someone’s a grumpy little guy tonight

When is he not?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

How old is she?

No f'ing idea

 

[85SugarVol]

Ok. Fair enough. Matriculating and graduating only proves it worked to its intent. We don't know though, she wasn't accepted immediately because of undergraduate success. Seeing your bonafides makes me believe you know it's harder, but not because of the comprehension factor of the subject matter. It's the amount of work required at places like Emory that sets them apart.

There is work required at all Universities. Some more than others.

Exceptions and accommodations, in the name of Equity, have been common at many.

Based on Emory’s own comments in the wake of the AA ruling, it would appear they were every bit as much entangled in it as other elite Universities.

That alone doesn’t mean Fani benefited from it. The accusation was based off of her testimony.

 

[RockyTop85]

Yes, obviously me breaking down the key points of a 2 hour testimony with timestamps just was not enough. I should also provide you the legal framework and then explain everything to you while I’m at it.

Someone’s a grumpy little guy tonight

Sounds like you’re qualified to be the legal correspondent for TMZ.

 

[RockyTop85]

No f'ing idea

Looks like she’s 53 and graduated from Emory in 1996. Was just curious whether the current cultural debate was applicable or an anachronism.

 

[volfanhill]

Looks like she’s 53 and graduated from Emory in 1996. Was just curious whether the current cultural debate was applicable or an anachronism.

Good thought

 

[DinkinFlicka]

When you find out a friend is truly an ignorant person that consistently makes bad decisions why would you remain friends with them?

You're moving goal posts. A person's voting decisions don't encapsulate the entire scope of their ignorance and decision making.

 

[Redleg68]

The tapes were erased by the ghost writer which sounds like obstruction of or at least tampering with evidence.

Question for some of the more astute people here. Since Trump is using donations for personal lawyer fees, will he not have to pay income tax on that money?

 

[VolTull]

Question for some of the more astute people here. Since Trump is using donations for personal lawyer fees, will he not have to pay income tax on that money?

It's a gift tax that is applicable in this situation IMO

 

[Jxn Vol]

People who profess communism or ones you label as Communists to support your agenda?

Tully, if you don’t see it then you may be one.

 

[volfanhill]

It's a gift tax that is applicable in this situation IMO

No. But the original question is a good one. Trumps claim is that these lawsuits are all from issues from his presidency thus making them political expenses. Obviously that's questionable. It's either ok or not. There won't be any gift tax or income tax issue. It's either good to go or campaign finance issues

 

[RockyTop85]

Good thought

It didn’t help much, I just realized I don’t know anything about 1990’s admissions policies.

Just can’t shake my apathy about what happens here to dig in to anything in this hearing. She seems sleazy, nobody should vote for her, maybe she should be punished, but also think punishing what happened with GA elections last cycle is justified. So either she skates or Trump does. Seems like a lose-lose. A game between Florida and Alabama. I don’t want of see either of them win so I’m not really watching.

 

[RockyTop85]

It appears that both she and her boyfriend perjured themselves, him multiple times and if that alone isn’t grounds for a prosecutor to be removed from office I don’t know what is. But hey, lawyers are going to stick together.

You wasted your time Rt85 will just come back with an incoherent word salad defending his profession. Or he’ll just stay silent.

When is he not?

Oh my, I think it may be time to call another meeting of Rockytop85’s Battered Individuals’ Therapy, Coping, Healing, & Emotional Support.

 

[volgr]

but also think punishing what happened with GA elections last cycle is justified.

Offfff course you do. What law did he break in Georgia?

 

[Wireless1]

No. But the original question is a good one. Trumps claim is that these lawsuits are all from issues from his presidency thus making them political expenses. Obviously that's questionable. It's either ok or not. There won't be any gift tax or income tax issue. It's either good to go or campaign finance issues

It’s very difficult to not recognize all these lawsuits don’t have a significant political motivation. The timing, the coordination and the political affiliation of all those bringing the cases.

 

[volgr]

It’s very difficult to not recognize all these lawsuits don’t have a significant political motivation. The timing, the coordination and the political affiliation of all those bringing the cases.

Just focusing on the most recent one is all the evidence one needs to make this point. They went after a former President in a highly dubious case, where no one was claiming to have been damaged, every major player in the real estate field says not only was there was nothing unusual about this transaction but the ruling itself would destroy the way business has been done for decades and the penalty was ridiculously high.

There is no other explanation than this was political lawfare.

 

[hog88]

You're moving goal posts. A person's voting decisions don't encapsulate the entire scope of their ignorance and decision making.

True but it’s a sign.

 

[hog88]

Question for some of the more astute people here. Since Trump is using donations for personal lawyer fees, will he not have to pay income tax on that money?

Probably but I’m far from a tax expert.

 

[LibertyVol]

Exactly. The banks and their stockholders lost money. The insurance companies and their stockholders lost money because the Trumps didn't pay the premiums and interest they should have. It's not like it's just one time at one institution. He did this over and over. If you count each stockholder the Trump organization defrauded it likely comes to thousands if not tens of thousands of people.

Thank goodness. I was having trouble sleeping last night worrying about all that money con man Trump stole from the bankers. I mean banks are stupid. It is good to know that men such as the honorable Judge Engoron are out there protecting the banks. Just a couple of quick questions. How much did Trump steal and has the honorable judge busted any other fraudsters stealing money from the dumb bankers.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

True but it’s a sign.

Not enough of one, honestly.