The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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No one will answer the question, if a State's Election was determined to be fraudulent and Trump were to be named the winner but this happens after the lawful date to cert electors, what happens? Those electors were only certified for Biden. Would they be then forced to vote Trump? Would a State be able to recall them and choose new electors who had not met the lawful date deadline?

These questions are uncomfortable for the left because it shows why the alternate electors were necessary.

Another topic they won't touch is the 2016 faithless electors. Why not?
 
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volgr said:
How can there be an objective metric and appraisers come to quite different conclusions on a property's value?
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Take an office building. You have ranges for cap rates based on comparable properties (objective). You have sq footage available (objective), vacancy rates (objective), traffic patterns (objective), operating income (objective), positive/negative adjustments for building (objective).

One appraiser may think a property should have cap rate of 3-4.5% and another may think 4-5%. But they are basing that on some objective analysis. They aren't pulling it out of the air and not able to say how they came up with it.
 
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volgr said:
No one will answer the question, if a State's Election was determined to be fraudulent and Trump were to be named the winner but this happens after the lawful date to cert electors, what happens? Those electors were only certified for Biden. Would they be then forced to vote Trump? Would a State be able to recall them and choose new electors who had not met the lawful date deadline?

These questions are uncomfortable for the left because it shows why the alternate electors were necessary.

Another topic they won't touch is the 2016 faithless electors. Why not?
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volgr said:
No one will answer the question, if a State's Election was determined to be fraudulent and Trump were to be named the winner but this happens after the lawful date to cert electors, what happens? Those electors were only certified for Biden. Would they be then forced to vote Trump? Would a State be able to recall them and choose new electors who had not met the lawful date deadline?

These questions are uncomfortable for the left because it shows why the alternate electors were necessary.

Another topic they won't touch is the 2016 faithless electors. Why not?
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This would be so embarrassing for you if you weren’t so deluded that you can’t see it: There was a law that set out procedures that could be used to deal with that. The electoral count act, the same law that Trump and others conspired to use these fake certificates to violate. The act permitted members of the legislative branch to raise objections and then go to debate and a vote.

Imagine shrieking ad nauseam about how nobody will answer a question and the answer is a codified and published statute that has been at the heart of the very issue about which you are shrieking.

And nobody will touch faithless electors because in the only instances where it is relevant, they were punished or replaced. That’s not a win for you. There’s a huge difference between a legitimate elector voting their conscience, which some states allow, and an illegitimate elector signing a certificate of ascertainment that purports to be legitimate.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
To those on the left...are you ok with selective prosecution by DAs, the DOJ and or selective judgements??
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Since it ain't their guy.... of course they are. Regarding the immunity case, Trump is right yet again. If the president has to worry about being prosecuted for decisions he makes, he will be ineffective. Of course the left is above the law so they would never be persecuted the way Trump has.
 
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turbovol said:
Trump's impeachments were completely necessary and completely valid--but I don't expect MAGA dunderheads to acknowledge that.
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It was all made up manufactured lies by the lunatic left bc they hate Trump & the America First agenda he pushes so strongly. Communist like yourself hate that MAGA movement agenda.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Since it ain't their guy.... of course they are. Regarding the immunity case, Trump is right yet again. If the president has to worry about being prosecuted for decisions he makes, he will be ineffective. Of course the left is above the law so they would never be persecuted the way Trump has.
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I wasnt asking in defense of Trump...I was really curious as to why now??? I mean we had a president commit grand larceny of White House furniture...a felony manh black americans are in jail for...
I'm pretty sure the SOS and VP are not allowed remove and keep top secrect classified documents...but yet all 3 have 0 charges, and they all admit it...all 3 committed illegal acts....yet NOW we gotta hold people accountable...the precedents have been set.....why now is ir changeing????

And I believe your right about immunity...congress is the force that hold the president accountable..I do find it interesting that with the GA election committee admitting to no signature verification on 148k mail in ballots, it even point more toward him doing his duty as president..apparently more pressure was need on Kemp
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I wasnt asking in defense of Trump...I was really curious as to why now??? I mean we had a president commit grand larceny of White House furniture...a felony manh black americans are in jail for...
I'm pretty sure the SOS and VP are not allowed remove and keep top secrect classified documents...but yet all 3 have 0 charges, and they all admit it...all 3 committed illegal acts....yet NOW we gotta hold people accountable...the precedents have been set.....why now is ir changeing????

And I believe your right about immunity...congress is the force that hold the president accountable..I do find it interesting that with the GA election committee admitting to no signature verification on 148k mail in ballots, it even point more toward him doing his duty as president..apparently more pressure was need on Kemp
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It is mostly because the left are cowards. They are terrified that they can't beat Trump in November so they are doing anything/everything, legal or not/frivolous or not in order to take Trump away from focusing on the election. If he is defending himself from endless accusations, he cannot effectively campaign.

Their ace in the hole is Big Mike Obama though. None of this matters when the Dementia Dope steps down and they trot BM out at the convention. All that talk about blacks/young people/women/etc leaning to the right will go exactly the way I have said it will and they will vote for Obama 3.0. Book it.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
It is mostly because the left are cowards. They are terrified that they can't beat Trump in November so they are doing anything/everything, legal or not/frivolous or not in order to take Trump away from focusing on the election. If he is defending himself from endless accusations, he cannot effectively campaign.

Their ace in the hole is Big Mike Obama though. None of this matters when the Dementia Dope steps down and they trot BM out at the convention. All that talk about blacks/young people/women/etc leaning to the right will go exactly the way I have said it will and they will vote for Obama 3.0. Book it.
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Big Mike Obama?
You just encapsulated why people rightfully hate trumpism......I don't expect you to understand.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I'm down for that...but I believe innocent till proven guilty in a court of law....

So then your ok with DA and judges being harsher on Blacks due to their biases???
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Why would you suggest I'm "OK" with it? I never stated I was OK with any of it - just that this isn't new.

I'm for equal justice in prosecuting criminals irrespective of skin color or party affiliation.

The MAGA folks are attempting to pretend this is both a "witch hunt" AND that it's selective prosecution because "Biden did it too."

Can't have it both ways, pick a lane.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
This would be so embarrassing for you if you weren’t so deluded that you can’t see it: There was a law that set out procedures that could be used to deal with that. The electoral count act, the same law that Trump and others conspired to use these fake certificates to violate. The act permitted members of the legislative branch to raise objections and then go to debate and a vote.
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For one, you are mixing 2 different theories into one. There were a few different lawful and legal ways Trump's campaign tried to do this. One being through State Courts before 1/6. Had a State court overturned the results, the alternate electors would then be legal proper Electors as appointed by the State Legislature.

If that didn't work, the next theory was to present 2 sets of electors to Pence, which the Electoral Act allows and there were a couple of different legal scenarios they hoped would happen with Pence, from there. Have you read the electoral count act? What happens when 2 slate of electors are presented to the VP? Why does the Act mention that the only way to count disputed electors is if each meet the Safe Harbor Act. Do you know what the Safe Harbor Act is?

Again, none of this was illegal. Some of it might have been bizarre legal theory, I will grant you that, but it wasn't illegal. Despite all of these legal efforts, the law was followed and Biden was lawfully elected. Where was the harm?

Imagine shrieking ad nauseam about how nobody will answer a question and the answer is a codified and published statute that has been at the heart of the very issue about which you are shrieking.
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Imagine not knowing there are different interpretation of the electoral count act and not know that the act isn't cut and dry and is quite ambiguous in parts.


And nobody will touch faithless electors because in the only instances where it is relevant, they were punished or replaced. That’s not a win for you. There’s a huge difference between a legitimate elector voting their conscience, which some states allow, and an illegitimate elector signing a certificate of ascertainment that purports to be legitimate.
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They weren't punished or replaced. Also, what happened to the ones whose State did not allow them to vote their conscience? I see you bend over backwards to excuse their (2016) behavior but you bend over backwards to try and prosecute the others (2020). Where is your consistency?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I had not heard anything about this but it seemed like an odd claim to make since I am unaware of any affirmative action-esque government program to make homosexuality preferred for any position, much less air traffic controllers. And of course I'd agree with you that sexual preference, in any direction, is not a valid indicator that a person would be a good air traffic controller.

So I did some basic searching and could find nothing to support your claim. Not even a hint of it.

Can you post a link or at least explain the basis for your claim that there is any sort of effort to hire homosexuals, in particular, for these jobs? You have to admit, it sounds a bit like crazy Trump train MAGA loon speak.
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Its called DEI initiatives. Each agency has their own and own way of implementing it. Obviously sexual preference, gender, race, etc, were all choices you could make. If we got applicants that didnt mark any or marked all White, male, and straight, our lists of candidates just said their names. If anyone marked ANYTHING else our list had a pie chart breakdown of those demographics in that list followed with a pie chart of the demographics agency wide and some saying like "take into account these characteristics when choosing a new hire"..I have a screen shot somewhere I meant to post last year. Ill try and find it.
 
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volgr said:
For one, you are mixing 2 different theories into one. There were a few different lawful and legal ways Trump's campaign tried to do this. One being through State Courts before 1/6. Had a State court overturned the results, the alternate electors would then be legal proper Electors as appointed by the State Legislature.

If that didn't work, the next theory was to present 2 sets of electors to Pence, which the Electoral Act allows and there were a couple of different legal scenarios they hoped would happen with Pence, from there. Have you read the electoral count act? What happens when 2 slate of electors are presented to the VP? Why does the Act mention that the only way to count disputed electors is if each meet the Safe Harbor Act. Do you know what the Safe Harbor Act is?

Again, none of this was illegal. Some of it might have been bizarre legal theory, I will grant you that, but it wasn't illegal. Despite all of these legal efforts, the law was followed and Biden was lawfully elected. Where was the harm?



Imagine not knowing there are different interpretation of the electoral count act and not know that the act isn't cut and dry and is quite ambiguous in parts.




They weren't punished or replaced. Also, what happened to the ones whose State did not allow them to vote their conscience? I see you bend over backwards to excuse their (2016) behavior but you bend over backwards to try and prosecute the others (2020). Where is your consistency?
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Where was the harm? Lying about election fraud for weeks/months--and in doing so damaging the credibility of our election system--had done a helluva lot of harm to this country, because now we have a bunch of redneck morons don't trust election results--at least those that go against their candidates--because they chose to lap up a gangster's transparent lies.
 
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Key word. Choose. Is it? If you live in an alternate Trump-led reality there are no choices. Only what is dictated to you - your belief system - there is no choice.
 
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