The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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volfanhill said:
No FBI agent or SS agent would work if they could not work under both agencies rules of use of force. It’s quite literally for their protection. Maybe if trump had sent the shat when asked we could have avoided this. I also fully suspect the FBI did its raid knowing full well Trump was not arround. Also, we have no clue if the higher ups at the FBi and SS talked.
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Yes, he refused to hand over documents. Raid the place if you must.

But it seems if there was ever an instance of not standard - that raid would have been it.

You’re placing more faith in the FBI than I have. How many times over the years have we watched them bungle crap, and turn situations into absolute sh!t shows?

I think we’re all lucky there weren’t armed SS protection detail on the other side.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
“OMG police took guns to serve a warrant at Mar-a-lago while Trump was in New York” would be embarrassing enough. The fact that it’s a walk back from “OMG they tried to assassinate Trump” just makes me pity you.
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No one even semi serious is crying assassination here.

If they knowingly scheduled it when he was out of town than good for them.
 
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turbovol said:
It's obvious that trump is guilty. To think otherwise is to believe that Cohen paid Stormy $130,000 of his own money without the gangster knowing, and the payments/repayments to Cohen were covered up without the gangster's knowledge. Only the Earls would believe such obvious nonsense. This would have been a big, scandalous story a few weeks before the election, so the notion that the gangster wasn't involved, that neither Cohen, his right-hand man, nor anyone else apprised him of the situation, Stormy demands, etc. is comical. But we do know that nitwits will believe what they want to believe, no matter how illogical and/or stupid their views.
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Don’t be so hard on yourself. That’s our job.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yes, he refused to hand over documents. Raid the place if you must.

But it seems if there was ever an instance of not standard - that raid would have been it.

You’re placing more faith in the FBI than I have. How many times over the years have we watched them bungle crap, and turn situations into absolute sh!t shows?

I think we’re all lucky there weren’t armed SS protection detail on the other side.
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No officer is going to agree to not being able to use force if necessary. Its that simple. And this narrative that they were given use of force for this is dumb. They always have it. It wasn't a yes or no. There is also no way it was an accident that this was done when Trump was out of town. This is nonsense. Or do you think it was just an ole cowinkie dink?

And to be clear, what you are asking for so its not standard, is that FBI agent to agree if fired apon that they won't fire back. Come on
 
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volfanhill said:
No officer is going to agree to not being able to use force if necessary. Its that simple. And this narrative that they were given use of force for this is dumb. They always have it. It wasn't a yes or no. There is also no way it was an accident that this was done when Trump was out of town. This is nonsense. Or do you think it was just an ole cowinkie dink?

And to be clear, what you are asking for so its not standard, is that FBI agent to agree if fired apon that they won't fire back. Come on
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I’m not saying the FBI shouldn’t have been armed for a raid. They indeed should have been.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have been authorized to use force. It was a raid.

I’m saying that the situation was anything but “standard”. And I would hope that they weren’t following simple SOP - like they claimed.

And if they contacted the SS ahead of time, perhaps they weren’t.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I’m not saying the FBI shouldn’t have been armed for a raid. They indeed should have been.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have been authorized to use force. It was a raid.

I’m saying that the situation was anything but “standard”. And I would hope that they weren’t following simple SOP - like they claimed.

And if they contacted the SS ahead of time, perhaps they weren’t.
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Of course they are going to say they followed SOP. Former POTUS doesn't grant you special privlidge. And they executed what they needed to do fine. Trump was gone. I doubt that's a coincidence. People running around screaming use of force are idiots. There isn't anything that they did to be criticized. Just random speculation that isn't helpful.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I’m not saying the FBI shouldn’t have been armed for a raid. They indeed should have been.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have been authorized to use force. It was a raid.

I’m saying that the situation was anything but “standard”. And I would hope that they weren’t following simple SOP - like they claimed.

And if they contacted the SS ahead of time, perhaps they weren’t.
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Remember they were told to wear "regular" polo's like non uniforms. I don't know if it was supposed to be a good thing or bad thing.
 
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volfanhill said:
Or course they are going to say they followed SOP. Former POTUS doesn't grant you special privlidge. And they executed what they needed to do fine. Trump was gone. I doubt that's a coincidence. People running around screaming use of force are idiots. There isn't anything that they did to be criticized. Just random speculation that isn't helpful.
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I would hope it was planned for when he was gone.
I would hope they did contact the SS ahead of time.

Would either of those indicate SOP? Maybe the timing when the target was gone, idk.

Maybe I’m cynical of the FBI & Biden DOJ here, but I think they wanted to send a message - “no one is above the law”.
And they did it big.

The downside risk just seems even more amplified. Under normal circumstances we’ve watched FBI raids get sideways and result in collateral damage - multiple times.

The risk vs reward just seems off to me.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I would hope it was planned for when he was gone.
I would hope they did contact the SS ahead of time.

Would either of those indicate SOP? Maybe the timing when the target was gone, idk.

Maybe I’m cynical of the FBI & Biden DOJ here, but I think they wanted to send a message - “no one is above the law”.
And they did it big.

The downside risk just seems even more amplified. Under normal circumstances we’ve watched FBI raids get sideways and result in collateral damage - multiple times.

The risk vs reward just seems off to me.
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Well they are charging him with a crime. I don't see how anyone could have problem with how it was done. I'm not talking about fairness guilt etc. But the outrage on this is dumb. I would say handled well. But trumpers want to scream about use of force bc they gave zero thought to it
 
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volfanhill said:
Well they are charging him with a crime. I don't see how anyone could have problem with how it was done. I'm not talking about fairness guilt etc. But the outrage on this is dumb. I would say handled well. But trumpers want to scream about use of force bc they gave zero thought to it
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I would say “outcome” gets an A

Thankfully.
 
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turbovol said:
You're clueless, dude. Biden is a light-years better president and better human being than the gangster. That is not even arguable. A lot of low IQ people who don't like Democrats generally want to lump Biden with Trump so that they can justify voting for the gangster again, but they're just being willfully stupid and biased. Do we REALLY need to go through the endless list of things AGAIN that demonstrate that the gangster is not fit to be a dog catcher, much less president? The difference between MAGA and progressives is that MAGA are willfully ignorant. It's why they constantly say stupid things that have no basis in fact.
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They’re both dumb
 
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85SugarVol said:
No one even semi serious is crying assassination here.

If they knowingly scheduled it when he was out of town than good for them.
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I don’t think anybody wringing their hands about this can claim to be semi-serious.

* He wasn’t there. It’s not like his itinerary is a big secret. He was in Dallas on 8/7 and was deposed in New York on 8/10 for one of his other cases, I think it was the half-billion dollar judgment case, but it might have been the one where he raped the woman.
* Just think about the fact that this Pearl clutching turns, in part, on the idea that law enforcement should serve a search warrant without being armed. Cops can be thugs (see Scotty Scheffler story) but that’s just insane.
* Any application of rational thought would tell you the use of force language is boilerplate, for the same reason: serving search warrants is dangerous work. (The FBI has since put out a statement that this is the case).
* The search was clearly a last or near-last resort (read the efforts they went to in the indictment to recover the documents).
* It was a search approved by a federal magistrate.
* The search discovered evidence of a crime.
* The evidence produced an indictment.

You guys want to continue to dig through Julie Karen’s ******** to try to find undigested kernels of sanity, knock yourselves out. I would have cut her off after she made a big deal out of Evan Corcoran emailing prosecutors to introduce himself as evidence that Trump had cooperated without mention that a federal judge had ordered Corcoran to testify before a grand jury because trump had used him to lie to federal law enforcement and thwart less invasive measures to recover the documents, but I accept that dignity and integrity are less important to some people than they are to me, a lawyer.
 
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turbovol said:
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Which brings up an interesting question.

This forum has 100s of individual posters (2023-4) yet I rarely see racist comments. This tells me several things.
1) They are scared to death of being found out so they noose their racism
2) They are no racists, it's in my imagination
3) They know that overt, in-your-face racist posts will guarantee them a ban

Question? Is there still, after all these years, from the assassination of Dr. King to date, a white undercurrent of racists and racism?

Answer? You bet you a**
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t think anybody wringing their hands about this can claim to be semi-serious.

* He wasn’t there. It’s not like his itinerary is a big secret. He was in Dallas on 8/7 and was deposed in New York on 8/10 for one of his other cases, I think it was the half-billion dollar judgment case, but it might have been the one where he raped the woman.
* Just think about the fact that this Pearl clutching turns, in part, on the idea that law enforcement should serve a search warrant without being armed. Cops can be thugs (see Scotty Scheffler story) but that’s just insane.
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You noticed too.

RockyTop85 said:
* Any application of rational thought would tell you the use of force language is boilerplate, for the same reason: serving search warrants is dangerous work. (The FBI has since put out a statement that this is the case).
* The search was clearly a last or near-last resort (read the efforts they went to in the indictment to recover the documents).
* It was a search approved by a federal magistrate.
* The search discovered evidence of a crime.
* The evidence produced an indictment.

You guys want to continue to dig through Julie Karen’s ******** to try to find undigested kernels of sanity, knock yourselves out. I would have cut her off after she made a big deal out of Evan Corcoran emailing prosecutors to introduce himself as evidence that Trump had cooperated without mention that a federal judge had ordered Corcoran to testify before a grand jury because trump had used him to lie to federal law enforcement and thwart less invasive measures to recover the documents, but I accept that dignity and integrity are less important to some people than they are to me, a lawyer.
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t think anybody wringing their hands about this can claim to be semi-serious.

* He wasn’t there. It’s not like his itinerary is a big secret. He was in Dallas on 8/7 and was deposed in New York on 8/10 for one of his other cases, I think it was the half-billion dollar judgment case, but it might have been the one where he raped the woman.
* Just think about the fact that this Pearl clutching turns, in part, on the idea that law enforcement should serve a search warrant without being armed. Cops can be thugs (see Scotty Scheffler story) but that’s just insane.
* Any application of rational thought would tell you the use of force language is boilerplate, for the same reason: serving search warrants is dangerous work. (The FBI has since put out a statement that this is the case).
* The search was clearly a last or near-last resort (read the efforts they went to in the indictment to recover the documents).
* It was a search approved by a federal magistrate.
* The search discovered evidence of a crime.
* The evidence produced an indictment.

You guys want to continue to dig through Julie Karen’s ******** to try to find undigested kernels of sanity, knock yourselves out. I would have cut her off after she made a big deal out of Evan Corcoran emailing prosecutors to introduce himself as evidence that Trump had cooperated without mention that a federal judge had ordered Corcoran to testify before a grand jury because trump had used him to lie to federal law enforcement and thwart less invasive measures to recover the documents, but I accept that dignity and integrity are less important to some people than they are to me, a lawyer.
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If the FBI & DOJ were left with no other choice than to execute a raid over those documents - than so be it.

I’ve said they should have been armed - it was a raid.
I’ve said they should have been authorized to use force - it was a raid.

I’ve also said nothing about this was “standard”, and the risk vs reward of this needed raid seems off to me.
 
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@RockyTop85
I have a question..I realize that the prosecution doesn't have to charge DJT with the "crime" that turns the payment into a felony. So my question is what would stop a DA from do that with every charge on anyone to get more felony convictions and more like plea without every revealing the "crime" that escalated a misdemeanor?
 
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