The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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BowlBrother85 said:
If Republicans somehow manage to nominate the only candidate who Biden can beat? That has nothing to do with Democrats. It's an indictment of how stubborn, stupid and extreme the Republican Party has become.
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I don't like Trump. But given the choice between Trump and mashedpotatoebrain, I'm going Trump. That makes me vastly superior in intellect than anyone voting for Biden.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump is pandering to extremist elements on the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party. January 6th sympathizers and most recently Branch Davidian sympathizers. He is moving too far to the right ... That is exactly why independents have moved away from him in the first place. That speech he gave in Waco was ridiculous.
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a presidential candidate pandering? OMG. have you not paid attention to any election? Thats what they all do, rush to the extreme's when they are in the primaries, and then rush towards the center in the general. and then when they get elected they don't fulfill any of it. another failure of our two party system.

this is why I can't take you guys seriously. Trump is always the most worstestest evers, for super really-o. there is never a measured response. you never stop and consider that maybe he isn't the first one to do X, or just because Trump is doing it doesn't make it the worst.
 
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DA Alvin Bragg's chief prosecutor said criminals aren't 'bad dudes,' ripped 'racist' justice system

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's chief prosecutor has argued for critical race theory ideology to be integrated into the criminal justice system as part of a "new paradigm of prosecution," while claiming criminals are not necessarily "bad dudes," Fox News Digital found.

Chief Assistant District Attorney Meg Reiss was brought in to Bragg's office in January 2022. Reiss has repeatedly said she is trying to "actually change… an understanding that people have about prosecution," including their views about violence.

DA Alvin Bragg's chief prosecutor said criminals aren't 'bad dudes,' ripped 'racist' justice system
 
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LouderVol said:
a presidential candidate pandering? OMG. have you not paid attention to any election? Thats what they all do, rush to the extreme's when they are in the primaries, and then rush towards the center in the general. and then when they get elected they don't fulfill any of it. another failure of our two party system.

this is why I can't take you guys seriously. Trump is always the most worstestest evers, for super really-o. there is never a measured response. you never stop and consider that maybe he isn't the first one to do X, or just because Trump is doing it doesn't make it the worst.
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Not every politician panders to the extreme elements of their party. What Trump did in Waco, would be akin to Biden throwing a party for Antifa and celebrating their violence. Trump doing it doesn't make it worse ... but who is doing it for certainly does make it worse.

Trump has gone full banana pants, but your stupid party will nominate him next year anyway .... and then blame fraud when he loses to Biden again - when you should really be blaming yourselves.

It's so easy to see what's coming.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't like Trump. But given the choice between Trump and mashedpotatoebrain, I'm going Trump. That makes me vastly superior in intellect than anyone voting for Biden.
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There is not a bigger idiot than Donald Trump. Not Biden. Not anybody.

.... and Trump isn't your only choice. You don't have to nominate Trump .... but Republicans will ... and he will lose yet again.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is not a bigger idiot than Donald Trump. Not Biden. Not anybody.

.... and Trump isn't your only choice. You don't have to nominate Trump .... but Republicans will ... and he will lose yet again.
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I won't vote for Trump in any primary but when faced with Trump vs Biden I will vote Trump every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I refuse to vote for a Chinese agent.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Not every politician panders to the extreme elements of their party. What Trump did in Waco, would be akin to Biden throwing a party for Antifa and celebrating their violence. Trump doing it doesn't make it worse ... but who is doing it for certainly does makes it worse.

Trump has gone full banana pants, but your stupid party will nominate him next year anyway .... and then blame fraud when he loses to Biden again - when you should really be blaming yourselves.

It's so easy to see what's coming.
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Not my party or candidate, keep trying to deflect though.

You are going to have to be specific on what he did in Waco that was so bad. Here is a transcript of his hour and a half speech. Donald Trump Hosts First 2024 Presidential Campaign Rally in Waco, Texas Transcript | Rev which part should I be looking at? It doesn't help your cause if you have to go LG with your ridicule but don't provide a link. Unlike you, I don't follow Trump around to even know he gave a speech. Since he matters so much to you, you should be able to tell me at least some of the specifics of what he did wrong this time.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is not a bigger idiot than Donald Trump. Not Biden. Not anybody.

.... and Trump isn't your only choice. You don't have to nominate Trump .... but Republicans will ... and he will lose yet again.
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depending on what you mean by "idiot", if you mean you disagree with him and that makes his ideas "stupid or idiotic" then sure. If you mean he runs his mouth and says dumb things to grab attention, sure; but as per his book that is part of his plan and I wouldn't assume its dumb. But Trump is way too crafty and been in business way to long to be an idiot.

If you mean current intellectual facilities its clearly Trump, Biden can't even find his way off stage without the Easter Bunny helping him. and I am not saying I expect Trump to do any better on his TV, person, dog test this time; but Biden clearly has handlers just to get around.
 
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LouderVol said:
depending on what you mean by "idiot", if you mean you disagree with him and that makes his ideas "stupid or idiotic" then sure. If you mean he runs his mouth and says dumb things to grab attention, sure; but as per his book that is part of his plan and I wouldn't assume its dumb. But Trump is way too crafty and been in business way to long to be an idiot.

If you mean current intellectual facilities its clearly Trump, Biden can't even find his way off stage without the Easter Bunny helping him. and I am not saying I expect Trump to do any better on his TV, person, dog test this time; but Biden clearly has handlers just to get around.
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You can put a highlight reel of gaffes together from Donald Trump which makes him appear every bit as cognitively dysfunctional in his old age as Joe Biden is.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can put a highlight reel of gaffes together from Donald Trump which makes him appear every bit as cognitively dysfunctional in his old age as Joe Biden is.
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sure. But remember some of Trump's "dumbness" is planned/on purpose. Either to feed his fan base, or just to stay in the discussion which is his whole strategy. and it worked well enough to get him elected once. So while I won't claim it as a "good" strategy a 50% effectiveness on elections is pretty dang good.

again this is why I say you hurt your many legitimate critiques of Trump by taking every criticism of him to 11.

and I am not worried about a highlight real, you can do that with any president. Even Obama had his moments. Trump and Biden probably have the most, Bush would be another to throw in. But day to day I would expect Trump to be more cognizant than Biden. Biden 10/15 years ago? Yeah that version of Biden would be smarter than Trump ever was, but thats not the Biden we have in office.
 
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LouderVol said:
Not my party or candidate, keep trying to deflect though.

You are going to have to be specific on what he did in Waco that was so bad. Here is a transcript of his hour and a half speech. Donald Trump Hosts First 2024 Presidential Campaign Rally in Waco, Texas Transcript | Rev which part should I be looking at? It doesn't help your cause if you have to go LG with your ridicule but don't provide a link. Unlike you, I don't follow Trump around to even know he gave a speech. Since he matters so much to you, you should be able to tell me at least some of the specifics of what he did wrong this time.
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Trump didn't actually say this during the Waco rally, as I thought he had. So that is my mistake. Nevertheless, this is still incendiary and irresponsible rhetoric from a Presidential candidate.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...rns-of-death-and-destruction-if-he-is-charged
 
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LouderVol said:
sure. But remember some of Trump's "dumbness" is planned/on purpose. Either to feed his fan base, or just to stay in the discussion which is his whole strategy. and it worked well enough to get him elected once. So while I won't claim it as a "good" strategy a 50% effectiveness on elections is pretty dang good.

again this is why I say you hurt your many legitimate critiques of Trump by taking every criticism of him to 11.

and I am not worried about a highlight real, you can do that with any president. Even Obama had his moments. Trump and Biden probably have the most, Bush would be another to throw in. But day to day I would expect Trump to be more cognizant than Biden. Biden 10/15 years ago? Yeah that version of Biden would be smarter than Trump ever was, but thats not the Biden we have in office.
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Not sure I believe biden has been smarter than anybody. He's been politically crafty perhaps but never really intelligent, and he's been a gaffe machine since forever.
 
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I am so disgusted with the 2 party system, and both parties therein...we need a revolution. Need 3 or 4 viable parties at a minimum to drain this swampy sheitshow.

They disgust me. They humiliate us on the world stage daily. I am done. The red team let the blue team blatantly change to mail in votes in almost every state, then blatantly steal an election or 7....and the red team has done ABSOLUTELY FECKING NOTHING to keep the exact same thing from happening in 2024.

I am done with them all. Worthless trash, the lot of em
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can put a highlight reel of gaffes together from Donald Trump which makes him appear every bit as cognitively dysfunctional in his old age as Joe Biden is.
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Trump's problem is that he's part class clown and part marketeer who believes any publicity is good publicity. That may work well in selling a brand and in real estate development; real estate development is only a little bit removed from fraud itself - and sometimes is simply legal fraud. However, for real fraud you need to look at long term politicians - with biden as a typical example. We all want a president who acts presidential ... and has some damn common sense rather than nothing more than political ambition and partisan beliefs. Nobody in the WH has had those things in common for a very long time. Trump is probably closer on common sense when it comes to policy than we've seen in a while, but his speech and antics undermine his credibility. It wouldn't matter in any case because Trump's politics don't match your own partisan beliefs.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump didn't actually say this during the Waco rally, as I thought he had. So that is my mistake. Nevertheless, this is still incendiary and irresponsible rhetoric from a Presidential candidate.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...rns-of-death-and-destruction-if-he-is-charged
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I don't consider that damaging at all. or really incendiary. It was a warning, if he had been arrested there would have been violence. period. I believe that. Thats what the media pushed.

"What kind of person can charge another person, in this case a former President of the United States, who got more votes than any sitting President in history, and leading candidate (by far!) for the Republican Party nomination, with a Crime, when it is known by all that NO Crime has been committed, & also known that potential death & destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our Country?” Trump bellowed on his social media platform.

here is his quote. I don't see anything irresponsible there. And I agree with him.

IF Trump had been arrested.
IF Trump had later been cleared of the charges, or found not guilty. Then I would have bet there would have been violence. And that would indeed be catastrophic for our Country.

And because I know you want to put more words in my mouth and make more false assumptions about me let me say this: Now do I think there should have been violence if Trump got arrested, even wrongly? No. The dumbest reason ever for violence would be one of our recent/current politicians going to jail. I would loathe if there was any major (criminal) violence FOR Trump. Some people get in a fist fight, I am not worried about that. But I don't think thats the level of violence we would have seen.

I even asked Luther that very question. Would it be worth large spread civil unrest to see Trump arrested?

and because I know you want to put even more words in my mouth, I even offered a viable, one man's opinion, alternative to arresting and perp walking Trump. Find him guilty of a felony, fine away all his assets but one house, his worst one for all I care, permanently keep under house arrest, and find him guilty of a felony so he can't ever hold office again.

and worst comes to worst if Trump gets arrested, and dies in jail? you just made a martyr out of one of our worst presidents ever. and the violence would be even worse.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's an immature and ridiculous perspective. This was a threat. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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where was it a threat? It was pure cause and effect. again you want to take everything Trump says/does as the worst possible iteration the most depraved mind could generate.

if you go 100 miles an hour into a sharp turn you will crash. Is that a threat? Do I want you to crash?

Now if he had given one of his "proud boys stand by" type comments, that would have absolutely been incendiary and a threat. or if he said he would call for violence, or "we will respond violently" then again that would be a threat. he just said there would be violence. A stance many people on the left agreed with. Stop taking everything to 11, stop, take a moment, breathe, take off the TDS blinders for a second.

I thought the republicans freaking out over every little Obama phrase was bad, but jeez.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I am so disgusted with the 2 party system, and both parties therein...we need a revolution. Need 3 or 4 viable parties at a minimum to drain this swampy sheitshow.

They disgust me. They humiliate us on the world stage daily. I am done. The red team let the blue team blatantly change to mail in votes in almost every state, then blatantly steal an election or 7....and the red team has done ABSOLUTELY FECKING NOTHING to keep the exact same thing from happening in 2024.

I am done with them all. Worthless trash, the lot of em
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You know it can't happen in our society though. It's our competitive nature. Except in some individual sports it seems our competitive nature forces everything down to two teams or two individuals duking it out for first place. We had to develop anti-monopolistic laws to keep business from devouring each other and destroying the concept of competition and free enterprise. Politics would just go the same way and always evolve into two competing parties. We couldn't even live with bowl games as an end to a football season - had to have a national championship. We couldn't even manage to keep college sports amateur and a way for kids attending college or HS to relax. It's who we are, and I think "unfortunately" is the proper modifier to add.
 
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LouderVol said:
where was it a threat? It was pure cause and effect. again you want to take everything Trump says/does as the worst possible iteration the most depraved mind could generate.
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Without his rhetoric, it is not a guarantee that there would be "death and destruction" following his indictment. This is inciteful rhetoric.

The same is true of the events of January 6th at the Capitol. If Trump had not instilled his followers with the false hope that he could still retain the presidency, and then held a rally in front of the White House, where he also called for his followers to march down to the Capitol, then there would not have been a security breach of the Capitol that day.

It's an attempt to intimidate. This was a threat.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Without his rhetoric, it is not a guarantee that there would be "death and destruction" following his indictment. This is inciteful rhetoric.

The same is true of the events of January 6th at the Capitol. If Trump had not instilled his followers with the false hope that he could still retain the presidency, and then held a rally in front of the White House, where he also called for his followers to march down to the Capitol, then there would not have been a security breach of the Capitol that day.

It's an attempt to intimidate. This was a threat.
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You denounce Maxine for her comments?
 
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