The Masters Tournament

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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I think he basically merged two options in his mind. I don't really blame him. I would have been discombobulated too after that. He would probably still be in the lead right now if he misses that flagstick.
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I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure he was a little flustered. He might hit that same shot a million more times and never have the pin throw it back in the water. It truly was some awful luck.
 
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GAVol said:
He could have gone as far back as he wanted if he had kept the point where he crossed the margin of the hazard between himself and the pin. Instead, he chose to take stroke and distance and replay the shot from the previous spot.
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Hard to imagine its that exact of a science. A lot of times you just take your penalty as best as you can figure where it crossed.
 
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govols/cc said:
Hard to imagine its that exact of a science. A lot of times you just take your penalty as best as you can figure where it crossed.
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That's my argument. I just don't know how I feel about penalizing a guy based purely on intent when the drop wasn't that far off.
 
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GAVol said:
That's my argument. I just don't know how I feel about penalizing a guy based purely on intent when the drop wasn't that far off.
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That's the rule. 'As close as possible...' Not 'whatever is relatively close and you feel gives you a better chance of a positive result.'

TW admitted in the presser that he dropped further back for the purpose of a competitive advantage. In golf, ignorance is not a valid excuse.

IMHO, especially coming off of the image of his personal character issues, TW would have been much better off to have DQed himself when he found out he had broken the rule and signed an incorrect scorecard.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's the rule. 'As close as possible...' Not 'whatever is relatively close and you feel gives you a better chance of a positive result.'

TW admitted in the presser that he dropped further back for the purpose of a competitive advantage. In golf, ignorance is not a valid excuse.

IMHO, especially coming off of the image of his personal character issues, TW would have been much better off to have DQed himself when he found out he had broken the rule and signed an incorrect scorecard.
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I disagree.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's the rule. 'As close as possible...' Not 'whatever is relatively close and you feel gives you a better chance of a positive result.'

TW admitted in the presser that he dropped further back for the purpose of a competitive advantage. In golf, ignorance is not a valid excuse.

IMHO, especially coming off of the image of his personal character issues, TW would have been much better off to have DQed himself when he found out he had broken the rule and signed an incorrect scorecard.
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His shot after the drop was a little further back & to the left it appeared. The ball spun in that direction as well. It's not an exact science.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
To clarify my thought...that is what the new 37-whatever rule is for.
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It was misapplied from its original intent. It was created to protect against players doing things they didn't know they had done, and then HD TV call-ins bringing it up later. It was not created to protect players from doing something that they knew they had done. Proven by his presser quotes, he knew he had done it. He just may not have realized it was illegal. Two very different things. The rule was exercised to keep a cash cow on television.

TW had an amazing opportunity to show character and integrity. IMHO, he missed the mark. But in any event, it's his character and his integrity. It is him that has to play with the others on tour that have tweeted about it. My opinion means very little.
 
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govols/cc said:
His shot after the drop was a little further back & to the left it appeared. The ball spun in that direction as well. It's not an exact science.
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He dropped it at least a couple of feet from his previous divot. Angles mean nothing in the rule that he exercised with the drop. He has three option.

Drop as far back As he chose, on the angle that it went into the hazard. He didn't choose that option.

Go to the drop zone. He did not exercise that option.

Drop it as close to the original spot as possible and replay the shot. He chose to exercise that option, yet dropped farther back on the line, admitting that he did so for competitive advantage.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It was misapplied from its original intent. It was created to protect against players doing things they didn't know they had done, and then HD TV call-ins bringing it up later. It was not created to protect players from doing something that they knew they had done. Proven by his presser quotes, he knew he had done it. He just may not have realized it was illegal. Two very different things. The rule was exercised to keep a cash cow on television.

TW had an amazing opportunity to show character and integrity. IMHO, he missed the mark. But in any event, it's his character and his integrity. It is him that has to play with the others on tour that have tweeted about it. My opinion means very little.
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How did he not show character & integrity? There's been plenty of dudes with character & integrity that cheated on their wives & took drops that weren't precise.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It was misapplied from its original intent. It was created to protect against players doing things they didn't know they had done, and then HD TV call-ins bringing it up later. It was not created to protect players from doing something that they knew they had done. Proven by his presser quotes, he knew he had done it. He just may not have realized it was illegal. Two very different things. The rule was exercised to keep a cash cow on television.

TW had an amazing opportunity to show character and integrity. IMHO, he missed the mark. But in any event, it's his character and his integrity. It is him that has to play with the others on tour that have tweeted about it. My opinion means very little.
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It is my belief that the whole DQ for incorrect scorecard rule's intent was to protect against intentional cheaters which was not Tigers intent. If I was another player I would want him in the field. Golf and the world in general IMO is too full of sanctimonious pricks.... I am not saying you are one of them....I wonder how many players over the years have accidentally signed incorrect scorecards, that maybe realized much later what they had done. I and you both know it has happened in the past before wall to wall TV coverage.
 
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He was told he was good to go before he signed anything. What the hell did he do wrong? Later they changed their mind & assessed a 2 shot penalty.
 
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govols/cc said:
How did he not show character & integrity? There's been plenty of dudes with character & integrity that cheated on their wives & took drops that weren't precise.
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If you say so. Actions define character and integrity. If you feel that cheating on one's wife repeatedly is the picture of character and integrity, then by all means...

My point was that removing himself from the tournament and saying:

"You know, the rules are the rules. I made a mistake and don't feel as though I can continue competing in the Masters this weekend in good conscience. I have too much respect for the game, the Masters, and my fellow professionals."

That would have gone a long way for someone who has exhibited morality/character issues so publicly.

A 14 year old kid from China said it perfectly yesterday. "The rules are the rules."

He broke one. He broke another by signing an incorrect score card. (Neither rule says anything about ignorance of the rule.) A third one was bent to the point of breaking to keep a cash cow on TV over the weekend.

I don't dislike TW. With that said, I hope he misses every putt for the rest of the weekend.
 
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