The military purge stepping up

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Grand Vol said:
You're using the Secret Service pulling their charge off a stage because of a possible threat as an example?

GTFO lol
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Don’t you know that President’s must behave as if their officers in the 18th century British army? They must stand up straight and receive the enemies fire😂😂
 
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Grand Vol said:
Decent points. But here's a better question or two...

Exactly who determines what is "extremist" behavior and why? Some would consider BLM to be an extremist group. Others would consider anyone flying a Trump 2020 flag to be an extremist.

So, how is that "extremist" determination made and how fairly is it applied across the board?
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It will be an extremest making the determination and it will not be fair across the board.
 
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Septic said:
I can imagine there are extremists in the military.

I can imagine there are patriots in the military.

The OP implied that there was concern on his part that those he considered patriots would be considered by others to be extremists.

I found that to be odd, which is why I pointed out that it was a weird association. In hindsight, I should have realized that the OP was simply bellyaching and sowing seeds of victimhood like the pantywaste he is.

What sane person would want extremists (of any kind) serving in a capacity where loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage are required above personal belief?


BTW, a DD-214 isn't required to hold this or other opinions about the military. No need for you to be a gatekeeper.
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Thanks for the explanation without the sarcasm. I tend to bristle when I sense our military personnel being disrespected. The unit I served in considered the United States to be the greatest country this side of heaven. Do you consider the US to be that? Would you consider that a patriot or extremist view?
Btw save your free speech lecture for those trying to suppress it, I was simply trying to determine your depth of experience when considering your comment
 
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Credo said:
Thanks for the explanation without the sarcasm. I tend to bristle when I sense our military personnel being disrespected. The unit I served in considered the United States to be the greatest country this side of heaven. Do you consider the US to be that? Would you consider that a patriot or extremist view?
Btw save your free speech lecture for those trying to suppress it, I was simply trying to determine your depth of experience when considering your comment
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What unit?
 
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Septic said:
You should stop doing that. One doesn't need to be Audie Murphy to have an opinion on the subject.
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I agree and disagree. I think people that haven’t seen violence first hand are prone to holding soldiers to unfair standards. That Edward Gallagher case comes to mind.
 
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hog88 said:
We can defeat any adversary with our tech and just about all that tech relies on GPS. I've been told that even in the infantry officers and NCOs are going into the field without protractors.
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All anybody needs to do is walk into a grocery or gas station during a power outage to see where this kind of thing is going. Batteries die, and I've never seen power outlets in the woods in the best of times. You may be screwed at night, but at least old fashioned maps and compasses don't need batteries.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Decent points. But here's a better question or two...

Exactly who determines what is "extremist" behavior and why? Some would consider BLM to be an extremist group. Others would consider anyone flying a Trump 2020 flag to be an extremist.

So, how is that "extremist" determination made and how fairly is it applied across the board?
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Ask Lori Lightfoot?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Decent points. But here's a better question or two...

Exactly who determines what is "extremist" behavior and why? Some would consider BLM to be an extremist group. Others would consider anyone flying a Trump 2020 flag to be an extremist.

So, how is that "extremist" determination made and how fairly is it applied across the board?
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Justice Potter Stewart once said the he didn't know how to define hard-core pornography, but he knew it once he saw it.

I suspect Commanders will also know it when they see it too, we put these decision makers in charge of leading men and women into combat. I'm OK with them making judgement calls on what they believe is "extremism." When folks get done serving and ETS, they can join BLM or the Klan to their hearts content, but there isn't room for that kind of stuff while in uniform.

Truthfully, a display of prejudice, racisim or bigotry of any kind should be rooted out squashed, swiftly.
 
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Credo said:
Thanks for the explanation without the sarcasm. I tend to bristle when I sense our military personnel being disrespected. The unit I served in considered the United States to be the greatest country this side of heaven. Do you consider the US to be that? Would you consider that a patriot or extremist view?
Btw save your free speech lecture for those trying to suppress it, I was simply trying to determine your depth of experience when considering your comment
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The disrespect was by the OP implying that it'd be his people that would be targeted as "extremists" and that they'd be the "patriots" stopping acts against fellow citizens.

But then I remembered the OP was probably at home cheering on the protesters as the beat cops with American flags on 1/6 and those, to him, were "patriots."
 
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Septic said:
Justice Potter Stewart once said the he didn't know how to define hard-core pornography, but he knew it once he saw it.

I suspect Commanders will also know it when they see it too, we put these decision makers in charge of leading men and women into combat. I'm OK with them making judgement calls on what they believe is "extremism." When folks get done serving and ETS, they can join BLM or the Klan to their hearts content, but there isn't room for that kind of stuff while in uniform.

Truthfully, a display of prejudice, racisim or bigotry of any kind should be rooted out squashed, swiftly.
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I tend to agree with you when there is no bias, but there is bias simply by those being selected at the top levels of the military by a CIC who is elected to represent his/her party. Also bias or "extremism" is sometimes not what one says but what one doesn't say.
 
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AM64 said:
I tend to agree with you when there is no bias, but there is bias simply by those being selected at the top levels of the military by a CIC who is elected to represent his/her party. Also bias or "extremism" is sometimes not what one says but what one doesn't say.
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Everyone has bias, some of us are just more willing to admit it than others. Don't conflate bias and extremism, those aren't the same thing.
 
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Septic said:
The disrespect was by the OP implying that it'd be his people that would be targeted as "extremists" and that they'd be the "patriots" stopping acts against fellow citizens.

But then I remembered the OP was probably at home cheering on the protesters as the beat cops with American flags on 1/6 and those, to him, were "patriots."
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How’d you feel about Ashli Babbits death?
 
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Credo said:
How’d you feel about Ashli Babbits death?
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I don't care, truthfully.

She played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

I don't care about George Floyd either. I could debate the merits of the circumstances surrounding their demise, but on an individual level, I'm not losing any sleep over someone who puts themselves in to a situation like either of them did.
 
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Septic said:
I don't care, truthfully.

She played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

I don't care about George Floyd either. I could debate the merits of the circumstances surrounding their demise, but on an individual level, I'm not losing any sleep over someone who puts themselves in to a situation like either of them did.
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So you equate her with George Floyd?
 
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Credo said:
So you equate her with George Floyd?
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Equate?

Not in any sense other than to say that both of them put themselves into bad situations and paid the ultimate price.

I'd equate them both as idiots.
 
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Septic said:
Everyone has bias, some of us are just more willing to admit it than others. Don't conflate bias and extremism, those aren't the same thing.
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That may be true in a sense if you look at how far someone is from the middle. However, to someone toward the left or right, an opinionated person of the other political spectrum may be seen as an extremist. Perspective isn't just a matter of how you interpret things but where you stand when you make the interpretation.
 
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Septic said:
I don't care, truthfully.

She played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

I don't care about George Floyd either. I could debate the merits of the circumstances surrounding their demise, but on an individual level, I'm not losing any sleep over someone who puts themselves in to a situation like either of them did.
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Agreed.

But my take is a little different. AB was a dumbazz and GF got what he deserved for being a menace to society.
 
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