The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Weezer said:
If they can prove aggravated assault, it automatically becomes felony murder. The question is will they argue aggravated assault?
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I don't know how any reasonable person could argue the the confrontation didn't begin with an aggravated assault.
 
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VolStrom said:
I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was pointing out that there are numerous reasons that people do what they do and mostly they aren't nefarius. Maybe the car was driving slow for any number of reasons at that time of the morning. Maybe they were looking for a sisters house they had never been to after driving all night? Jeez man, don't think the worst and if you do call the cops.
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Exactly.
 
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VolStrom said:
I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was pointing out that there are numerous reasons that people do what they do and mostly they aren't nefarius. Maybe the car was driving slow for any number of reasons at that time of the morning. Maybe they were looking for a sisters house they had never been to after driving all night? Jeez man, don't think the worst and if you do call the cops.
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Hell, I'm not against simply following to make sure everything is on the up and up. Further than I would go, but no harm, no foul. Now if he had pulled up on the people, gun in hand, and ordered them to stop....well, that's a different story.
 
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Septic said:
I don't know how any reasonable person could argue the the confrontation didn't begin with an aggravated assault.
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I don't disagree, but people have different definitions of "reasonable". This forum proves that.
 
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Weezer said:
If they can prove aggravated assault, it automatically becomes felony murder. The question is will they argue aggravated assault?
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Right. They either have to argue aggravated assault and thus felony murder, or they have to drop the assault charge and argue manslaughter.
 
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bamawriter said:
Right. They either have to argue aggravated assault and thus felony murder, or they have to drop the assault charge and argue manslaughter.
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1. This was an aggravated assault as defined below:
  1. The accused intentionally and unlawfully threatened, by word or act, to do violence to the alleged victim, Check
  2. At the time the threat was made, the accused appeared to have the ability to carry out the threat, Check
  3. The accused’s threat created in the mind of the alleged victim a well-founded fear that the violence was about to take place, and Check
  4. The assault was made either with a deadly weapon or with a fully formed conscious intent to commit a felony. Check
Not sure why they wouldn't, appears to be open and shut, unless the argument is made that a dead man can't assume what went on in the mind of the victim, based on the video, that appears to be the case.
 
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Weezer said:
Hell, I'm not against simply following to make sure everything is on the up and up. Further than I would go, but no harm, no foul. Now if he had pulled up on the people, gun in hand, and ordered them to stop....well, that's a different story.
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I never had the intention of confronting them.....unless they pulled around back into my driveway on my property.....I was just making sure they weren't there to break in and steal or worse....and if they were I would have called the cops.

Probably more paranoid as living in Chattanooga I see all sorts of stuff about crime, even despicable pieces of crap who are looting tornado victims, some even while they stay in there half way standing houses to try and stop stuff like that from happening.

Also doesn't help that I have seen those crime show episodes where wives, families, were attacked after the husband left for work in the morning so I'm a little more alert than I used to be.
 
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I keep seeing people talk about the house as if it was a new construction. It was not. He was not there to check out what new designs might be good for him in the future. This was an older home that was gutted and being remolded. No one just walks into someone’s house to see how the remolding is going if you don’t know the homeowner. You all can disagree on the other aspects all day but please get this part correct. There is no disputing it and no reason in the world for anyone to be going into that house.
 
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825VOL said:
I keep seeing people talk about the house as if it was a new construction. It was not. He was not there to check out what new designs might be good for him in the future. This was an older home that was gutted and being remolded. No one just walks into someone’s house to see how the remolding is going if you don’t know the homeowner. You all can disagree on the other aspects all day but please get this part correct. There is no disputing it and no reason in the world for anyone to be going into that house.
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Would anyone who isn't familiar with the neighborhood know that it was a remodel? The available video shows a whole lot of fresh construction facing the street. I mean, there was a whole new front being put on the house. They weren't just remodeling the kitchen and baths.
 
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825VOL said:
I keep seeing people talk about the house as if it was a new construction. It was not. He was not there to check out what new designs might be good for him in the future. This was an older home that was gutted and being remolded. No one just walks into someone’s house to see how the remolding is going if you don’t know the homeowner. You all can disagree on the other aspects all day but please get this part correct. There is no disputing it and no reason in the world for anyone to be going into that house.
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Agree with this. Although now there seems to be the new narrative that Arbery wanted to be an electrician so that is why he was there....and apparently why he took off running when someone hollored to ask him what he was doing there.
 
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bamawriter said:
Would anyone who isn't familiar with the neighborhood know that it was a remodel? The available video shows a whole lot of fresh construction facing the street. I mean, there was a whole new front being put on the house. They weren't just remodeling the kitchen and baths.
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My point was, it is not like a new construction home that has just been framed up. I can understand people wanting to take a look at those but one like this should not have people walking in and out of it looking for designs. This was an older home in an established neighborhood
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
It's not stupid if he assumed he was going to get shot anyway. And let's see, some rednecks chasing you down in a truck with guns in southern Georgia.....yeah clearly he should have just assumed they just wanted to talk.
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Unless they just caught him in the act of commiting a crime I agree with you here. This citizen arrest concept is beyond stupid. My one reservation is that even if the guy was running from a crime scene that you could bet your ass that the media wouldn't want to report on that aspect. Unless some new information comes out this looks like murder to me.
 
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825VOL said:
I keep seeing people talk about the house as if it was a new construction. It was not. He was not there to check out what new designs might be good for him in the future. This was an older home that was gutted and being remolded. No one just walks into someone’s house to see how the remolding is going if you don’t know the homeowner. You all can disagree on the other aspects all day but please get this part correct. There is no disputing it and no reason in the world for anyone to be going into that house.
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It was a house under construction that was open. Oh, and for your information the homeowner released a video and he stated nothing was removed, defaced or broken.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It was a house under construction that was open. Oh, and for your information the homeowner released a video and he stated nothing was removed, defaced or broken.
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I did see that he said that. It does make me wonder why he had set up the cameras to alert him of someone in the house. I wouldn't think that to be normal. He even contacted another neighbor to check on it based on the alert.

Is it okay to be inside a house under construction?
 
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825VOL said:
My point was, it is not like a new construction home that has just been framed up. I can understand people wanting to take a look at those but one like this should not have people walking in and out of it looking for designs. This was an older home in an established neighborhood
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I'm not disagreeing, but it's not like anyone would walk in there and see furniture or whatever.
 
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jp1 said:
I did see that he said that. It does make me wonder why he had set up the cameras to alert him of someone in the house. I wouldn't think that to be normal. He even contacted another neighbor to check on it based on the alert.

Is it okay to be inside a house under construction?
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Ultimately no, because it's not your property, but it doesn't warrant hunting someone down and killing them.
 
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