The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[Weezer]

According to Travis and Travis alone. If they were genuinely concerned that Arbery was armed, wouldn't the reasonable course of action be to avoid a confrontation?

If they were concerned he was armed, they alert the police and let them do their job. They don't arm themselves up and go looking for a shootout. But I guess, according to some, that's okay.

 

[VolStrom]

If they were concerned he was armed, they alert the police and let them do their job. They don't arm themselves up and go looking for a shootout. But I guess, according to some, that's okay.

I suppose vigilante justice is okay even when there's no crime.

 

[jp1]

Problem is that they had absolutely no idea if Arbery had any business there or not. It wasn't their property, and the owner never told them anything regarding any trespassing issues.



I've done it many times. Never thought twice about it. If the owner or a contractor had told me to leave, I would have done so. If one of them is having a bad day, I figure worse case scenario is they call the cops on me and the cops tell me to leave.

Under no scenario would I have considered the possibility that a group of gun-toting peckerwoods would arm up and try to chase me in their trucks.

That seems strange to me, but perhaps I'm overthinking this. I just view it like I wouldn't walk into my neighbor's open garage. In this case, the house was completely dried-in from what I could see on the video.

Edit: it does also seem strange to me that they went to these lengths as a non-owner of the property.

 

[jp1]

I suppose vigilante justice is okay even when there's no crime.

Find anyone arguing that what happened was okay.

 

[n_huffhines]

At least they didn't kill him

Black delivery driver blocked into Oklahoma neighborhood by HOA president

 

[Behr]

Because some people weren't raised to respect other's property and rights

Obviously some weren't raised to respect others lives.

 

[Weezer]

Find anyone arguing that what happened was okay.

There seems to be someone who has been arguing this was somehow justified. No names mentioned.

 

[vollygirl]

‘It just startled me.’ Travis McMichael dialed 911 days before shooting

So the victim "liked to job in this neighborhood" but had only been seen recently entering homes being built during a rash of burglaries and break-ins and was known to have been seen by the local residents and fled from them...yet continued "to jog" in this area? Right.

“I’ve never seen this guy before in the neighborhood,” he said. He was breathing heavily during the call; the dispatcher asked if was okay.

“Yeah, it just startled me,” McMichael responded. “When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. So I don’t know if he’s armed or not. But he looked like he was acting like he was.”

Doesn't sound like Travis had seen him before. And I believe this is the moment Travis decided the person he saw was someone to be afraid of, and that's what he was thinking when he grabbed that shot gun on February 23rd. He never should have gone out of his house with a weapon that day, and his state of mind - not Arbery's - is the bigger factor, imo.

 

[VolStrom]

Find anyone arguing that what happened was okay.

Are you related to rickeyvol?

 

[Behr]

Find anyone arguing that what happened was okay.

What is being argued?

 

[Bigun]

At least they didn't kill him

Black delivery driver blocked into Oklahoma neighborhood by HOA president

HOA Nazi's are the worst. I'm sure this will be viewed as some Emmitt Till moment by the professional race baiters but sometimes people aren't racists....they are just assholes. I followed a car around our neighborhood a few months ago when I was leaving for work as I didn't recognize the car, they were driving slow and stopping in front of houses, etc.

 

[Behr]

Did Arbery grab his waist or stick his hand in his pocket?

 

[Weezer]

Did Arbery grab his waist or stick his hand in his pocket?

Well, we can't ask him.

 

[VolStrom]

HOA Nazi's are the worst. I'm sure this will be viewed as some Emmitt Till moment by the professional race baiters but sometimes people aren't racists....they are just assholes. I followed a car around our neighborhood a few months ago when I was leaving for work as I didn't recognize the car, they were driving slow and stopping in front of houses, etc.

I've driven slowly through neighborhoods myself along with my wife when we were looking for ideas about landscaping or color schemes. Some people think everyone they see is out to steal from them and I'm sure I would have been more suspicious depending on my skin color or age of car.

 

[Bigun]

“I’ve never seen this guy before in the neighborhood,” he said. He was breathing heavily during the call; the dispatcher asked if was okay.

“Yeah, it just startled me,” McMichael responded. “When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. So I don’t know if he’s armed or not. But he looked like he was acting like he was.”

Doesn't sound like Travis had seen him before. And I believe this is the moment Travis decided the person he saw was someone to be afraid of, and that's what he was thinking when he grabbed that shot gun on February 23rd. He never should have gone out of his house with a weapon that day, and his state of mind - not Arbery's - is the bigger factor, imo.

It's a shame everyone's mind is already made up because by the time the trial comes out, if the McMichaels have a competent defense attorney there will be alot for evidence to come out....and from the prosecution as well. Hoping they don't continue with the Murder-1 charges as I don't think they would get an conviction.

 

[jp1]

It's a shame everyone's mind is already made up because by the time the trial comes out, if the McMichaels have a competent defense attorney there will be alot for evidence to come out....and from the prosecution as well. Hoping they don't continue with the Murder-1 charges as I don't think they would get an conviction.

I was called an idiot for suggesting that very thing yesterday.

 

[Weezer]

It's a shame everyone's mind is already made up because by the time the trial comes out, if the McMichaels have a competent defense attorney there will be alot for evidence to come out....and from the prosecution as well. Hoping they don't continue with the Murder-1 charges as I don't think they would get an conviction.

If they can prove aggravated assault, it automatically becomes felony murder. The question is will they argue aggravated assault?

 

[Bigun]

I've driven slowly through neighborhoods myself along with my wife when we were looking for ideas about landscaping or color schemes. Some people think everyone they see is out to steal from them and I'm sure I would have been more suspicious depending on my skin color or age of car.

Do you usually drive through neighborhoods slowly at 6:15 in the morning looking for color schemes and landscaping? Also, I never saw what color they were and I didn't care. I don't base my concern about a situation on a person's race. A few months ago when our car alarm went off in the middle of the night I didn't have to see whether the person was white or black before deciding if that upset me or not.

 

[jp1]

Are you related to rickeyvol?

Avoiding the question?

 

[Behr]

Well, we can't ask him.

Which was it?

"He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road."

Yeah, it just startled me,” McMichael responded. “When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. So I don’t know if he’s armed or not. But he looked like he was acting like he was.”

 

[Weezer]

Which was it?

"He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road."

Yeah, it just startled me,” McMichael responded. “When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. So I don’t know if he’s armed or not. But he looked like he was acting like he was.”

I'm sure he'll settle on the answer his lawyer says helps him most. That's the problem. We only have his version of events because the other involved party can't give his. A good prosecutor will point out inconsistent statements though.

 

[Weezer]

Avoiding the question?

Asked and answered.

 

[Behr]

Avoiding the question?

What question? Who is arguing whether it was okay or not? Are you avoiding my question? What is being argued?

 

[VolStrom]

Do you usually drive through neighborhoods slowly at 6:15 in the morning looking for color schemes and landscaping? Also, I never saw what color they were and I didn't care. I don't base my concern about a situation on a person's race. A few months ago when our car alarm went off in the middle of the night I didn't have to see whether the person was white or black before deciding if that upset me or not.

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was pointing out that there are numerous reasons that people do what they do and mostly they aren't nefarius. Maybe the car was driving slow for any number of reasons at that time of the morning. Maybe they were looking for a sisters house they had never been to after driving all night? Jeez man, don't think the worst and if you do call the cops.

 

[Weezer]

I was called an idiot for suggesting that very thing yesterday.

There are two trains of thought here, IMO. One, the prosecutors go for manslaughter. Two, the prosecutors go for aggravated assault. Aggravated assault is a felony. Someone dies in the commission of a felony, it becomes felony murder by law.