The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Sadly, I think society operated too long under the 'as long as they're just killing each other...' attitude. I don't know how you undo that.
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You cannot. At least not in our generation, or likely the one to follow. I read a very interesting article about a year ago, and I don't remember where, that talked about how the African-American community essentially had two full generations of males in prison or dead, and that as a result, the streets were raising the next two generations. Single mothers, gangs become their family, etc. Took me a while to get through the standard "they brought this on themselves" mentality to start to see that we all own this problem.

We can debate that subject, and the Arbery shooting, from A to Z and it won't change the simple fact that for whatever faults he may have had...for whatever previous criminal acts he may have committed...the circumstances of his death are obvious to any unbiased observer, and demand simple, unbiased justice.

Take away the skin color, and let justice be blind, for once.
 
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The source of the video gets back to me thinking there is some technicality that we're not seeing here. There is some reason that you had to go through three prosecutors before getting to someone who would make an arrest without a grand jury indictment. And there is some reason why McMichaels, who probably knows more GA criminal law than most of us, thought that leaking the video was a good idea. I just have a hard time believing that there are three ethically challenged DAs in one corner of GA,
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The source of the video gets back to me thinking there is some technicality that we're not seeing here. There is some reason that you had to go through three prosecutors before getting to someone who would make an arrest without a grand jury indictment. And there is some reason why McMichaels, who probably knows more GA criminal law than most of us, thought that leaking the video was a good idea. I just have a hard time believing that there are three ethically challenged DAs in one corner of GA,
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Yeah the technicality is that they’re former law enforcement in a corrupt ass county with a history of covering for law enforcement.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The source of the video gets back to me thinking there is some technicality that we're not seeing here. There is some reason that you had to go through three prosecutors before getting to someone who would make an arrest without a grand jury indictment. And there is some reason why McMichaels, who probably knows more GA criminal law than most of us, thought that leaking the video was a good idea. I just have a hard time believing that there are three ethically challenged DAs in one corner of GA,
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You cannot be serious.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The source of the video gets back to me thinking there is some technicality that we're not seeing here. There is some reason that you had to go through three prosecutors before getting to someone who would make an arrest without a grand jury indictment. And there is some reason why McMichaels, who probably knows more GA criminal law than most of us, thought that leaking the video was a good idea. I just have a hard time believing that there are three ethically challenged DAs in one corner of GA,
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Because it’s not an open and shut case like the media and others think. Jurors from the area will decide this case
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The source of the video gets back to me thinking there is some technicality that we're not seeing here. There is some reason that you had to go through three prosecutors before getting to someone who would make an arrest without a grand jury indictment. And there is some reason why McMichaels, who probably knows more GA criminal law than most of us, thought that leaking the video was a good idea. I just have a hard time believing that there are three ethically challenged DAs in one corner of GA,
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Visit uvalda or vidalia sometime and you will walk away shocked. It's not 2020 in all parts of America.
 
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Weezer said:
I bet he regrets that his residence was used as justification by the McMichael's for their actions. Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up on the market.
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Yeah he will never live there. I couldn't imagine that he would want to anyway.
 
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vollygirl said:
You cannot be serious.
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I am. The video tells one story. The law may tell another. Again, three elected DAs don't pass on an arrest with video evidence and a former cop/DA investigator doesn't hand someone the rope to hang him with unless they all think there is a way out. It does not pass the smell test. I have practiced law for 22 years and I've worked with political campaigns politicians off an on for longer than that. Call it an educated guess on my part.
 
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NEOCON said:
Visit uvalda or vidalia sometime and you will walk away shocked. It's not 2020 in all parts of America.
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I friend of mine's brother was a LEO in Soperton. He burned down someone's house because he was convinced it was a crack house. I understand what you're saying. I also know that these DAs are not idiots.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I am. The video tells one story. The law may tell another. Again, three elected DAs don't pass on an arrest with video evidence and a former cop/DA investigator doesn't hand someone the rope to hang him with unless they all think there is a way out. It does not pass the smell test. I have practiced law for 22 years and I've worked with political campaigns politicians off an on for longer than that. Call it an educated guess on my part.
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It's not "three DA's", it's really just two. The 3rd DA, Durden in Hinesville, made it clear that he intended to present an indictment to the Grand Jury just as soon as the courts re-opened. So it's two: Glynn and Ware. You already know the back story on that. The decision to send it to a 4th DA (Cobb) was all optics, and about creating the perception that "the State is involved now, and they will see that this is done right."

Then along come the Feds, and like I said earlier, you probably won't hear much out of them until they're ready to hold a press conference.

Lots of smoke and mirrors down here now. Common for such a high-profile incident. In reality, the Glynn DA, and possibly the GCPD, and in serious jeopardy here. Partly over this incident, but mostly for other egregious "manipulations" that are now coming back to haunt them both.

Chickens coming home to roost. Simple as that.
 
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Because it’s not an open and shut case like the media and others think. Jurors from the area will decide this case
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it’s pretty open and shut. Even if you take into account that he may have been a burglar, which is unsubstantiated, they had no right to chase him down and gun him down like a dog. They were under no immediate threat.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
It's not "three DA's", it's really just two. The 3rd DA, Durden in Hinesville, made it clear that he intended to present an indictment to the Grand Jury just as soon as the courts re-opened. So it's two: Glynn and Ware. You already know the back story on that. The decision to send it to a 4th DA (Cobb) was all optics, and about creating the perception that "the State is involved now, and they will see that this is done right."

Then along come the Feds, and like I said earlier, you probably won't hear much out of them until they're ready to hold a press conference.

Lots of smoke and mirrors down here now. Common for such a high-profile incident. In reality, the Glynn DA, and possibly the GCPD, and in serious jeopardy here. Partly over this incident, but mostly for other egregious "manipulations" that are now coming back to haunt them both.

Chickens coming home to roost. Simple as that.
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As I've said before, I understand the first one bowing out because of the prior employment situation. The next one, I have trouble buying that he wouldn't at least present for indictment just because his kid works in the jurisdiction of the original DA. Too me, that's tin hat stuff based on my personal experiences working with these sorts of people. The second DA could've easily declined due to a perceived conflict and avoided this. Then #3 who has no dog in the hunt doesn't arrest with the video, but says after the storm has gathered, that he plans to present it when the grand jury is impaneled again. I just don't believe that there is multi-jurisdiction collusion and corruption going on. Maybe McMichaels has some sort of mastermind defense attorney who convinced all of these prosecutors that they can't win this case, but no such attorney that I know of would let his client leak the video. Something just doesn't add up for me.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
As I've said before, I understand the first one bowing out because of the prior employment situation. The next one, I have trouble buying that he wouldn't at least present for indictment just because his kid works in the jurisdiction of the original DA. Too me, that's tin hat stuff based on my personal experiences working with these sorts of people. The second DA could've easily declined due to a perceived conflict and avoided this. Then #3 who has no dog in the hunt doesn't arrest with the video, but says after the storm has gathered, that he plans to present it when the grand jury is impaneled again. I just don't believe that there is multi-jurisdiction collusion and corruption going on. Maybe McMichaels has some sort of mastermind defense attorney who convinced all of these prosecutors that they can't win this case, but no such attorney that I know of would let his client leak the video. Something just doesn't add up for me.
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The 2nd DA, Barnhill, put his reasoning in a public letter when he recused. I'm willing to take him at his word. If he saw some sort of significant technicality, he chose not to say as much.
 
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bamawriter said:
The 2nd DA, Barnhill, put his reasoning in a public letter when he recused. I'm willing to take him at his word. If he saw some sort of significant technicality, he chose not to say as much.
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I'd say that if the video had been released before he wrote it, Barnhill's letter would have been worded a lot differently. There are statements of "fact" and opinions in his letter that simply do not pass the eye test. Or the smell test.

He's toast, IMO. If the voters don't get him, the AG or Governor will.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Black on black crime is a national pandemic. Those of us who answer those calls know the facts. Watch any given episode of "The First 48" and it quickly becomes clear.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the known facts here.
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White on white crime is a national epidemic. 90% of white people are victimized by white people. Every race is about the same.

All I have to do is look at the newspaper or tv or Twitter or history.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Now you can sit back and watch Greg's defense team slowly but surely try to create "distance" between what Greg did, and what Travis did.
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Happened in the Janet Levine case here, where they eventually turned the dad against Perry March. Without the dad's testimony about helping dump the body a conviction would've been difficult. I think the dad may have died in prison anyway.
 
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