The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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And not to mention that the murder itself is just one part of the story. The subsequent cover up and failure to bring justice furthers the “racist” idea.
 
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jp1 said:
What makes the construction site okay? It was a house remodel. Its someone's property and you are going there without their permission. I also gave you the car in the driveway scenario if you didnt like the open garage door. I'm not there to do any harm, just getting ideas.
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There are people who respect laws and people’s property and those who don’t
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
And not to mention that the murder itself is just one part of the story. The subsequent cover up and failure to bring justice furthers the “racist” idea.
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Obviously none of us know for sure, but isn't it a little more plausible for this to be just shear incompetence/corruption? I don't see enough to really make me say that race was a substantial factor outside of the profiling aspect. But then again, I haven't seen reports of any of the white trespassers being pursued for questioning.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Where did I claim that Munerlyn wasn’t hunted down. He most certainly was. That’s as slam dunk a case of premeditated murder there is. That doesn’t mean jack **** to this story though.
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Exactly. You have to have the "hunted down" bs to believe it was premeditated murder and that will not stick with a jury at all...mainly because it would be about next to impossible to prove. All the defense would have to do would ask why they didn't shoot him earlier in the 4 minute video where they followed him or why didn't they shoot him before he got close? Ever been hunting for deer and waited for the deer to get right up next to you before you decide to shoot? That is why the "hunted down" bs narrative serves no purpose in this case.

I wonder if they can go Murder-2 though. Not sure where they are going to find a jury that hasn't been influenced though, no matter where they move the case.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
My ring doorbell saw some guy walking on the neighbors driveway two weeks ago. Thinking about hunting him down and killing him.
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That's really not what happened. What you describe would be Murder 1 "with intent". These guys apparently thought at the time they were actually acting in a manner that was justified to detain a person. It very much looks like that was not the case and what actions they took instead constituted aggravated assault thereby removing any protections afforded under citizens arrest or self-defense. (assuming this is how it plays out in court) If that is what stands then Arbery's death, regardless of the McMichaels "intent", brings felony murder into the case. That's pretty much it...if the aggassault holds then the felony murder will as well. (not discounting copping a manslaughter plea before that happens)

There's no more use in playing this as the McMichaels being Lord Humungus and Wez from Road Warriors as it would be presenting Aubrey as some angelic health fanatic.
 
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Bigun said:
Exactly. You have to have the "hunted down" bs to believe it was premeditated murder and that will not stick with a jury at all...mainly because it would be about next to impossible to prove. All the defense would have to do would ask why they didn't shoot him earlier in the 4 minute video where they followed him or why didn't they shoot him before he got close? Ever been hunting for deer and waited for the deer to get right up next to you before you decide to shoot? That is why the "hunted down" bs narrative serves no purpose in this case.

I wonder if they can go Murder-2 though. Not sure where they are going to find a jury that hasn't been influenced though, no matter where they move the case.
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Who's saying it was pre-mediated murder?

They did hunt him down. I doubt anybody believes they were chasing him to kill him, but they did get in their truck and drive through the neighborhood hunting him. When they found him, they killed him. (Hearing the line from A Few Good Men yet?)
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I'm still waiting for your explanation of your illogical abortion line...seems to me that you just say a lot of things for reaction purposes without really and logically thinking them through
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I didn’t think it warranted a response. It was an error on my part.
 
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Weezer said:
Arbery is dead, so I don't think he can pay much more.

I'm gonna guess you didn't put much thought into just how ignorant that comment was.
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Being (apparently) Buddhist, does your belief system include the possibility that the various challenges you have dealt with are simply repercussions for your rudeness to several people on this board, including this comment calling me "ignorant"?
 
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ButchPlz said:
Being (apparently) Buddhist, does your belief system include the possibility that the various challenges you have dealt with are simply repercussions for your rudeness to several people on this board, including this comment calling me "ignorant"?
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First off, he didn’t call you ignorant. He said your comment was.

Secondly, that was some impressive deflection.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
First off, he didn’t call you ignorant. He said your comment was.

Secondly, that was some impressive deflection.
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I simply asked a question. Not sure that's ignorant. The additional commentary could be construed as nothing but rude, the same as many of his other posts here.

I will say most of his are more coherent than yours, though.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I simply asked a question. Not sure that's ignorant. The additional commentary could be construed as nothing but rude, the same as many of his other posts here.

I will say most of his are more coherent than yours, though.
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You never answered the question btw. How should a dead guy be punished?
 
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ButchPlz said:
Being (apparently) Buddhist, does your belief system include the possibility that the various challenges you have dealt with are simply repercussions for your rudeness to several people on this board, including this comment calling me "ignorant"?
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I'm generally a nice guy, but I tend to be blunt on certain subjects. To ask why only one side has to pay when the other side is dead was pretty obtuse. It is what it is. I'm sorry I didn't sugar coat it to spare hurting your feelings. The fact is, it was an absurd question on your part. The truth is still the truth, even when you don't like it.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm generally a nice guy, but I tend to be blunt on certain subjects. To ask why only one side has to pay when the other side is dead was pretty obtuse. It is what it is. I'm sorry I didn't sugar coat it to spare hurting your feelings. The fact is, it was an absurd question on your part. The truth is still the truth, even when you don't like it.
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I took his comment to be that the McMichaels will be punished for their actions, and that perhaps Arbery also saw the consequences of his actions.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm generally a nice guy, but I tend to be blunt on certain subjects. To ask why only one side has to pay when the other side is dead was pretty obtuse. It is what it is. I'm sorry I didn't sugar coat it to spare hurting your feelings. The fact is, it was an absurd question on your part. The truth is still the truth, even when you don't like it.
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So you also can't read, because that's not what I said, either.
 
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jp1 said:
I took his comment to be that the McMichaels will be punished for their actions, and that perhaps Arbery also saw the consequences of his actions.
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Which is exactly what was intended, and why I highlighted a specific comment in his initial post.

Forget any kind of decent argument- basic reading and comprehension are clearly a weakness for some folks.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Which is exactly what was intended, and why I highlighted a specific comment in his initial post.

Forget any kind of decent argument- basic reading and comprehension are clearly a weakness for some folks.
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Do you believe Arbery's killing was justified? Your comment would suggest you do, so here's your chance to give a simple yes or no answer.
 
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Weezer said:
Do you believe Arbery's killing was justified? Your comment would suggest you do, so here's your chance to give a simple yes or no answer.
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How does it suggest that? Have you read any of my other posts at all? I don't have an opinion that question. I don't have enough information to say yes or no. That's an answer your very sad worldview chooses not to allow. I asked you a direct question. Why does the statement you made that I highlighted in the post only apply to one party? Is it for some reason infeasible that the dead guy was also stupid? Why did you rule that out?

You, friend, and people like you- the ones that rush to judgment and harshness and entrench themselves in an "us or them" attitude- you are the problem in much of the world.
 
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ButchPlz said:
How does it suggest that? Have you read any of my other posts at all? I don't have an opinion that question. I don't have enough information to say yes or no. That's an answer your very sad worldview chooses not to allow. I asked you a direct question. Why does the statement you made that I highlighted in the post only apply to one party? Is it for some reason infeasible that the dead guy was also stupid? Why did you rule that out?



You, friend, and people like you- the ones that rush to judgment and harshness and entrench themselves in an "us or them" attitude- you are the problem in much of the world.
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At most, this guy was guilty of trespassing. You don’t even need to be a genius to ask yourself if that crime deserves death as punishment.
 
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