The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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vollygirl said:
Who's saying it was pre-mediated murder?

They did hunt him down. I doubt anybody believes they were chasing him to kill him, but they did get in their truck and drive through the neighborhood hunting him. When they found him, the killed him. (Hearing the line from A Few Good Men yet?)
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The part about they killed him when they found him is false. Apparently the 4 minute video shows them following him and not engaging him. What the defense will point out is that McMichael didn't fire his gun until Arbery ran at him. Will a jury buy that? That is the question. I don't think a jury will buy it to acquit them but I do think it might save them from murder-1
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
At most, this guy was guilty of trespassing. You don’t even need to be a genius to ask yourself if that crime deserves death as punishment.
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So you're completely unopen to any evidence that may- OR MAY NOT- come out indicating otherwise?

No wonder this planet is a clownshow. I'd recommend bowing out. You've embarrassed yourself enough already.
 
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Bigun said:
The part about they killed him when they found him is false. Apparently the 4 minute video shows them following him and not engaging him. What the defense will point out is that McMichael didn't fire his gun until Arbery ran at him. Will a jury buy that? That is the question. I don't think a jury will buy it to acquit them but I do think it might save them from murder-1
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You seem to believe that the two guys are guilty but your hang up is the charge being sought. That’s fair. I’m more concerned with the people defending the two guys actions.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
There are people who respect laws and people’s property and those who don’t
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Every time you or anyone else says this, and it gets said often because this is you guys main argument..... it seems so whiney.

I still haven't seen anyone say that it is OKAY to do it. Most everyone is saying it happens a lot and and you shouldn't be defending the guys that decided to shoot and kill someone for doing it.

Absolutely amazing.
 
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ButchPlz said:
So you're completely unopen to any evidence that may- OR MAY NOT- come out indicating otherwise?

No wonder this planet is a clownshow. I'd recommend bowing out. You've embarrassed yourself enough already.
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The guy ****ing admitted he saw him trespassing. No claims of burglary. No claims of raping his wife. So that is all the evidence you need. You really think the guys who murdered him are holding out crucial evidence that could help their situation?
 
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ButchPlz said:
How does it suggest that? Have you read any of my other posts at all? I don't have an opinion that question. I don't have enough information to say yes or no. That's an answer your very sad worldview chooses not to allow. I asked you a direct question. Why does the statement you made that I highlighted in the post only apply to one party? Is it for some reason infeasible that the dead guy was also stupid? Why did you rule that out?

You, friend, and people like you- the ones that rush to judgment and harshness and entrench themselves in an "us or them" attitude- you are the problem in much of the world.
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If you don't have enough information to realize that the McMichael's unjustly took the law in their own hands and created a set of circumstances that led to the death of a human being then you haven't been paying attention.

I could sit here and insult you and trade barbs back and forth, but quite frankly, I'm not in the mood to waste my time doing so. The information available and the video itself clearly tell the story.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
The guy ****ing admitted he saw him trespassing. No claims of burglary. No claims of raping his wife. So that is all the evidence you need. You really think the guys who murdered him are holding out crucial evidence that could help their situation?
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Please read the thread and discover for yourself that that seems to be merely part of the story.
 
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Weezer said:
If you don't have enough information to realize that the McMichael's unjustly took the law in their own hands and created a set of circumstances that led to the death of a human being then you haven't been paying attention.

I could sit here and insult you and trade barbs back and forth, but quite frankly, I'm not in the mood to waste my time doing so. The information available and the video itself clearly tell the story.
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They don't, which is why this thread exists in the first place. I'm not trading barbs. I'm telling you the truth. You're acting like a bitter old man. It's not conducive to any discussion, any flexibility, and has instead probably only driven some people to look at anything you say with a massive grain of salt. I know I'm included there.
 
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Bigun said:
The part about they killed him when they found him is false. Apparently the 4 minute video shows them following him and not engaging him. What the defense will point out is that McMichael didn't fire his gun until Arbery ran at him. Will a jury buy that? That is the question. I don't think a jury will buy it to acquit them but I do think it might save them from murder-1
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If the prosecution proves aggravated assault, then it's automatically felony murder under the law. They don't have to prove murder one.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Answer the last part. Why would McMichael hold out on evidence that could drastically reduce or even eliminate his guilt?
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How do you know he is? Are you intimately involved in any discovery on this case? If so, I'd recommend refraining from posting.

From what I know there are only a handful of letters and statements out from the local authorities, including some testimony. How often have we seen additional information be made public later in cases like this? I'll give you a hint: almost every time.
 
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Behr said:
Every time you or anyone else says this, and it gets said often because this is you guys main argument..... it seems so whiney.

I still haven't seen anyone say that it is OKAY to do it. Most everyone is saying it happens a lot and and you shouldn't be defending the guys that decided to shoot and kill someone for doing it.

Absolutely amazing.
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Again, it is not DEFENDING the McMichaels by saying that Arbery was also in the wrong with his actions.
I myself have stated several times in this thread, that i wouldn't have handled the situation the way they did and that all parties involved were 100% idiots.

I AM saying that the entire set of evidence and circumstances will be what is reviewed in court, and that the rush to "these good ole boys set out to murder that poor jogger so they should get murder charges" is a bit dramatic given the facts presented so far.

I've always said if 12 jurors believe that McMichael and his son had intent to murder Arbery or was convicted of the agg. assault charge, they likely will get some kind of manslaughter charge.
If even one juror believes that Arbery was in the wrong also and that McMichael confronted him like idiots but that Arbery himself started the physical altercation and trying to take the gun away from the son, the DA overcharged and they will be set free. (Although i also believe that the Arbery family will sue them in civil court as well)

As far as "hate crimes" and other such nonsense, that won't even see the actual court hearing
 
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Behr said:
I agree with Weezy. What do you mean by "This"?
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"They took stupid actions, now they get to face the consequences."

Is it not feasible that the dead guy also took stupid actions and faced the consequences? The resident Buddhist in question doesn't seem to indicate that that was under any consideration at all anywhere.
 
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Bigun said:
The part about they killed him when they found him is false. Apparently the 4 minute video shows them following him and not engaging him. What the defense will point out is that McMichael didn't fire his gun until Arbery ran at him. Will a jury buy that? That is the question. I don't think a jury will buy it to acquit them but I do think it might save them from murder-1
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The problem with this is as long as the aggassault stands then the self-defense is pretty much DOA. In fact if that charge stands it actually makes aggressive actions by Arbery justified as self-defense.

Think it through legally...if person X is considered guilty of aggravated assault with a weapon how much standing do you think they have in claiming SD if the person they are assaulting decides to fight back? That's what the McMichaels defense team is up against.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again, it is not DEFENDING the McMichaels by saying that Arbery was also in the wrong with his actions.
I myself have stated several times in this thread, that i wouldn't have handled the situation the way they did and that all parties involved were 100% idiots.

I AM saying that the entire set of evidence and circumstances will be what is reviewed in court, and that the rush to "these good ole boys set out to murder that poor jogger so they should get murder charges" is a bit dramatic given the facts presented so far.

I've always said if 12 jurors believe that McMichael and his son had intent to murder Arbery or was convicted of the agg. assault charge, they likely will get some kind of manslaughter charge.
If even one juror believes that Arbery was in the wrong also and that McMichael confronted him like idiots but that Arbery himself started the physical altercation and trying to take the gun away from the son, the DA overcharged and they will be set free. (Although i also believe that the Arbery family will sue them in civil court as well)

As far as "hate crimes" and other such nonsense, that won't even see the actual court hearing
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Is it that hard to understand that no sane person gives a flying **** about whether or not what Arbery did was wrong? So what if he was. Let’s say he was. DID HE DESERVE TO DIE? The victim blaming in order to justify two dildos is disgusting.
 
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ButchPlz said:
So you're completely unopen to any evidence that may- OR MAY NOT- come out indicating otherwise?

No wonder this planet is a clownshow. I'd recommend bowing out. You've embarrassed yourself enough already.
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It wouldn't matter if Arbery had committed a crime. The McMichael's had no such knowledge that he had, making their attempted "citizen's arrest" illegal under GA law. That is why they are being charged with aggravated assault. If the prosecution proves aggravated assault, then Arbery's death automatically becomes felony murder. This is the law. They don't have to prove the McMichael's set out with intent to kill. All they have to prove is they were committing a felony when Arbery was killed.
 
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hndog609 said:
The problem with this is as long as the aggassault stands then the self-defense is pretty much DOA. In fact if that charge stands it actually makes aggressive actions by Arbery justified as self-defense.

Think it through legally...if person X is considered guilty of aggravated assault with a weapon how much standing do you think they have in claiming SD if the person they are assaulting decides to fight back? That's what the McMichaels defense team is up against.
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This is the crux of the actual case. If one juror decides that the McMichaels had the right to attempt to identify or detain Arbery given the facts and circumstances and mindset of all involved, it's not aggravated assault, it's self-defense as Arbery is the one that the evidence showed initiated the physical violence. If the jury thinks the McMichaels were completely in the wrong, they will get the manslaughter charge.

The two legal teams already have their perfect juror prototype in mind, but it only takes one from the defense picks to make it through
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Is it that hard to understand that no sane person gives a flying **** about whether or not what Arbery did was wrong? So what if he was. Let’s say he was. DID HE DESERVE TO DIE? The victim blaming in order to justify two dildos is disgusting.
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His actions led up to the incident as well. Would he have died if he hadn't attacked the son violently and tried to take his gun?
 
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Behr said:
Every time you or anyone else says this, and it gets said often because this is you guys main argument..... it seems so whiney.

I still haven't seen anyone say that it is OKAY to do it. Most everyone is saying it happens a lot and and you shouldn't be defending the guys that decided to shoot and kill someone for doing it.

Absolutely amazing.
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Behr, there are those that respect the law and the sanctity of human life, and there are those who don't.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
You seem to believe that the two guys are guilty but your hang up is the charge being sought. That’s fair. I’m more concerned with the people defending the two guys actions.
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Goodness. Who has defended their actions? You keep making posts about things that nobody has said. Just because we are asking questions doesnt mean we are joining a side.
 
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Weezer said:
Behr, there are those that respect the law and the sanctity of human life, and there are those who don't.
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i respect both the law and human life.
The court case will be decided by the law, and whatever verdict the jury has will be decided fairly IMO.

I respect human life, but people lose their lives all the time over bad choices and stupid decisions they make. I see it every day
 
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Weezer said:
It wouldn't matter if Arbery had committed a crime. The McMichael's had no such knowledge that he had, making their attempted "citizen's arrest" illegal under GA law. That is why they are being charged with aggravated assault. If the prosecution proves aggravated assault, then Arbery's death automatically becomes felony murder. This is the law. They don't have to prove the McMichael's set out with intent to kill. All they have to prove is they were committing a felony when Arbery was killed.
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You all have asked me whether or not I thought the killing was justified, not what my interpretation of the law was. There's a difference. I'm not interested in arguing legal semantics, and I believe that these morons (that killed another moron) will end up in jail.

I'm interested in the fact that people like yourself immediately demonize anyone that dares to ask a question. I'm interested in the fact that the goober I responded to has yet to construct anything resembling an argument and is only acting like a three year old struggling with the feeling of emotion for the first time.

You clearly haven't taken the time to read anything else.
 
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