The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Hold on…..
You don’t think these D bags that ran down Aubrey are in any way not guilty do you?
Let’s put it this way….if someone is chasing me with a gun and they’re not in a police uniform, the default is too assumed they’re trying to harm you. There’s absolutely no excuse for attacking Aubrey the way they did. He would have been within his rights to defend himself with deadly force.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I’m not privy to what the two guys were thinking so I have no idea if they planned to kill him….murder defined includes premeditation….so murder might be a stretch based on the definition, but they’re definitely guilty of something though.
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how would you have reacted had you been Aubrey?
I’ll answer for you. There would be 3 dead assailants.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Lol hilarious story. Sounds about par for the course for Sea Island. There's a completely different level of wealth when you cross that bridge. We've been extremely fortunate and blessed to make a few connections over there. I don't know many other locations where we could turn over the amount of jobs we do all within a five mile radius.

And yes, I'm very familiar with Jones Kitchen. Thats some good cooking there for sure. It's been a while since I've been.

By the way, I'm sure we could come up with a decent rate for a fellow Vols fan by the way.😁

South of Brunswick...Camden County??
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;)
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
how would you have reacted had you been Aubrey?
I’ll answer for you. There would be 3 dead assailants.
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Initially, I think I’d have gone off road with my escape attempt. No way two fat white guys would catch me.
To be clear…..I view Aubrey’s actions as self defense. The guys were chasing him with guns.
The only question that I have was what their intentions were. They’re guilty…. But of what? Murder? Maybe….manslaughter? At the very least
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
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My son's 10u allstar football team beat Camden County pretty handily at the district playoffs yesterday in Glynn. Are you familiar at all with yalls youth football program? I thought you guys are normally pretty good. I'm trying to figure out if Camden just had a bad game or are our kids from Wayne County just that good this year.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Initially, I think I’d have gone off road with my escape attempt. No way two fat white guys would catch me.
To be clear…..I view Aubrey’s actions as self defense. The guys were chasing him with guns.
The only question that I have was what their intentions were. They’re guilty…. But of what? Murder? Maybe….manslaughter? At the very least
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I agree.
The difference being I’m not on the jury so I’m operating on what I think their motives were. They were chasing an unarmed black man who had nothing in his possession claiming that they wanted to make a citizens arrest for a supposed crime committed against someone else. They were way out of bounds. If you point a gun at someone you can be reasonably sure something bad is going to happen. They chased this guy and cornered him putting him in a situation to have to fight for his life. I believe it was deliberate so they could shoot him. I believe it was murder.
 
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If I'm on the jury, I'm looking at motive. Why would a man be jogging on a street and looking to steal something from a house under construction/reconstruction? WTF is a man without a truck going to steal, an f'n generator? I've been through a lot of houses under construction, there is nothing to steal. The guys that shot him are going to jail for being idiots and they should.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I agree.
The difference being I’m not on the jury so I’m operating on what I think their motives were. They were chasing an unarmed black man who had nothing in his possession claiming that they wanted to make a citizens arrest for a supposed crime committed against someone else. They were way out of bounds. If you point a gun at someone you can be reasonably sure something bad is going to happen. They chased this guy and cornered him putting him in a situation to have to fight for his life. I believe it was deliberate so they could shoot him. I believe it was murder.
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It could be….. only they know what actually happened. I guess I’m an optimist for hoping they were just some overzealous country guys that weren’t as bad ass as they thought they were….. but then again maybe they were evil men.
 
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VolStrom said:
If I'm on the jury, I'm looking at motive. Why would a man be jogging on a street and looking to steal something from a house under construction/reconstruction? WTF is a man without a truck going to steal, an f'n generator? I've been through a lot of houses under construction, there is nothing to steal. The guys that shot him are going to jail for being idiots and they should.
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Cooper wire is one of the main things stolen from construction sites but I still think the guys are going to jail.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I’m not privy to what the two guys were thinking so I have no idea if they planned to kill him….murder defined includes premeditation….so murder might be a stretch based on the definition, but they’re definitely guilty of something though.
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I dont think felony murder requires premitation.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Initially, I think I’d have gone off road with my escape attempt. No way two fat white guys would catch me.
To be clear…..I view Aubrey’s actions as self defense. The guys were chasing him with guns.
The only question that I have was what their intentions were. They’re guilty…. But of what? Murder? Maybe….manslaughter? At the very least
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I dont know the ins and outs of this stuff, but my understanding is that if you kill somebody, whether you intend to or not, while committing a felony, you are subject to be charged with felony murder. I think in this case, the alleged felonies are assault and false imprisonment. I could be wrong.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
If these two high profile murder cases had happened before everyone had a camera It's possible, maybe even likely Rittenhouse would have been convicted and the three in Brunswick would have never been charged.
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For a KKK card carrying democrat, a definite possibility! Maybe even a certainty!
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I dont know the ins and outs of this stuff, but my understanding is that if you kill somebody, whether you intend to or not, while committing a felony, you are subject to be charged with felony murder. I think in this case, the alleged felonies are assault and false imprisonment. I could be wrong.
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Sounds reasonable to me
Felony Murder
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I think aggravated assault and false imprisonment are what they've alleged.

Edit: @RockyTop85 listed the relevant statutes a few pages back.
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I know this isn’t a popular opinion, I just don’t think this applies. They had every right to follow him or chase him through the neighborhood in order to identify him to the police that they had called and we’re waiting on. They did not have the right to threaten him with a gun. When one of the guys got out of the truck with a gun, that’s where it all goes wrong. Imo this should be manslaughter and they should get the max for being stupid and causing Aubrey’s death.
 
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825VOL said:
I know this isn’t a popular opinion, I just don’t think this applies. They had every right to follow him or chase him through the neighborhood in order to identify him to the police that they had called and we’re waiting on. They did not have the right to threaten him with a gun. When one of the guys got out of the truck with a gun, that’s where it all goes wrong. Imo this should be manslaughter and they should get the max for being stupid and causing Aubrey’s death.
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When he got out and went after Arbery, that was the assault that resulted in one portion of the felony murder charges. My understanding is that they didnt just chase him, they pretty much used the cars to pin him in, thats the false imprisonment.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
When he got out and went after Arbery, that was the assault that resulted in one portion of the felony murder charges. My understanding is that they didnt just chase him, they pretty much used the cars to pin him in, thats the false imprisonment.
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I haven’t had the time to watch as much of this trail as the KW one. The trial is also bad for tv as the courtroom is not what is to be expected, 3 defendants and lawyers, and bad camera angles make it harder to watch. I will take your word for it that this is the prosecution’s take. Either way, a man died for no reason, 3 people will lose their freedom, families will be affected forever over stupid decisions by all of them. Such a shame it even happened.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I was just looking up the definition of felony murder since that was being tossed around
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Since the statement itself was in question I have no problem with judge not allowing hearsay, but the texts and verifiable correspondence probably should imo
 
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Bryan’s attorney is calling for a mistrial because demonstrators are outside the courthouse. He claims that his co-counsel is terrified for her life. Purportedly, the demonstrators paraded a coffin with the names of the accused scrawled upon it. Also, there are five African Americans carrying long guns (Georgia has open carry laws). The request for mistrial has been denied before. Bryan’s counsel has also requested separation . It’s as if he sees the cross of McMichael as damning and now wants out any way he can finagle.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Hold on…..
You don’t think these D bags that ran down Aubrey are in any way not guilty do you?
Let’s put it this way….if someone is chasing me with a gun and they’re not in a police uniform, the default is too assumed they’re trying to harm you. There’s absolutely no excuse for attacking Aubrey the way they did. He would have been within his rights to defend himself with deadly force.
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From what I have seen, Arbery was almost 100% scouting the location to burglarize it. He knew they knew he was a thief and thats why he was running - similar MO as in other situations he had been in. They had a right to run him off IMO but once they intend to capture is where I think they go wrong, even for a "citizen's arrest". There is nothing showing that they think he actually stole something at that time, so they have no reason to hold him or run him down.

Arbery is a diagnosed schizophrenic - when he charged the shooter, that does not show good judgement, exactly. I seriously question whether he would have been shot if he had not charged the guy. They had 911 on the phone. Most likely their intention was to hold him there until the police showed. Reality is they did not have that right based on Arbery's actions and he does also have a right to defend himself, even though he knows he is a scumbag thief looking to steal.

Complicated case - as I have said elsewhere. My take is still, culpability is 75% on shooter, 25% on Arbery for getting shot. Had Arbery not charged them and gotten shot, the police could have arrested the bunch for trying to falsely arrest Arbery - and at the same time, given Arbery a citation for criminal trespass.
 
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