The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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AshG said:
Georgia law is weird.

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Felony murder works a little differently.

A person can be charged and convicted of felony murder without actually killing someone.

Take, for instance, Greg McMichael and Roddie Bryan in the Arbery case.

Neither of them pulled the trigger - the video of the killing shows it was Travis McMichael - but the way felony murder works, if the jury finds they committed felonies that resulted in Arbery's death, that results in felony murder.

That's why there's four felony murder charges against each defendant - because they are each charged with four felonies (two counts of aggravated assault, one count of false imprisonment and one count of criminal attempt to commit a felony) that allegedly resulted in murder."

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Thanks for that because I was a bit confused as to how you have one guy pull the trigger and 3 guys are guilty of murder - when it would seem hard to imply intent to the guys who were not armed or even out of the truck. Now it makes more sense as to how they met the legal definition even if it doesnt seem to rise to the bar of morally getting there. I just dont think they intended to kill the guy (or they darn sure wouldnt have been on phone with 911 and filming it). But by the legal standard, they committed a felony (stupidity basically) and that resulted in Arbery's death so no mens rea necessary.

Seems the jury found that they intended the assault and imprisonment, that led to death and thus guilty of murder. So yeah, that seems pretty clear cut and dry then and all of them were willing participants in the chase and attempt to capture.
 
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AshG said:
Georgia law is weird.

"
Felony murder works a little differently.

A person can be charged and convicted of felony murder without actually killing someone.

Take, for instance, Greg McMichael and Roddie Bryan in the Arbery case.

Neither of them pulled the trigger - the video of the killing shows it was Travis McMichael - but the way felony murder works, if the jury finds they committed felonies that resulted in Arbery's death, that results in felony murder.

That's why there's four felony murder charges against each defendant - because they are each charged with four felonies (two counts of aggravated assault, one count of false imprisonment and one count of criminal attempt to commit a felony) that allegedly resulted in murder."

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One of the defendants was strictly the videographer. And faces the same charges. So, if George Floyd had been killed by a cop in GA, all the videographers that stood around and filmed on their phones instead of helping out, could have been charged with felonies that contributed to a death. ??
 
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GVF said:
One of the defendants was strictly the videographer. And faces the same charges. So, if George Floyd had been killed by a cop in GA, all the videographers that stood around and filmed on their phones instead of helping out, could have been charged with felonies that contributed to a death. ??
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You should probably look into what the guy actually did more.
 
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GVF said:
One of the defendants was strictly the videographer. And faces the same charges. So, if George Floyd had been killed by a cop in GA, all the videographers that stood around and filmed on their phones instead of helping out, could have been charged with felonies that contributed to a death. ??
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BowlBrother85 said:
That seems to only be the case, if the other side wins. In keeping with that same rationale, I thought the system of elections in either purple or blue states was rigged against Republicans ... but then Glenn Youngkin (R) defeated Terry McAuliffe (D) for Governor of Virginia three weeks ago. What happened?
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They had to let one win go through to avoid detection.
 
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Grateful that GA can rest easy tonight. I sincerely hope these guys are protected in prison. Could be bad for them.
 
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GVF said:
One of the defendants was strictly the videographer. And faces the same charges. So, if George Floyd had been killed by a cop in GA, all the videographers that stood around and filmed on their phones instead of helping out, could have been charged with felonies that contributed to a death. ??
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When they all agreed to chase him with the intent to capture - THAT was the felonious nail in their coffin. When Arbery died as a result of their action, it meets requirements (based on what was shared above) for "felony murder". Had he just been filming on the side of the road, no foul.

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Grateful that GA can rest easy tonight. I sincerely hope these guys are protected in prison. Could be bad for them.
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While they may or may not have been racists before, sadly, they all will now pretty much be in the aryan gangs in prison, whether they want to or not just to survive.
 
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Gandalf said:
When they all agreed to chase him with the intent to capture - THAT was the felonious nail in their coffin. When Arbery died as a result of their action, it meets requirements (based on what was shared above) for "felony murder". Had he just been filming on the side of the road, no foul.



While they may or may not have been racists before, sadly, they all will now pretty much be in the aryan gangs in prison, whether they want to or not just to survive.
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Personally, if I was one of them and knowing I would never leave prison, I would just piss off the meanest, baddest people in prison, so I'd get killed off quickly.
 
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Zues1 said:
Justice was served.
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This. Much as I hate to see someone I know get convicted of such a terrible crime, the jury followed the evidence and the law, and rendered the right verdict(s), IMO. They saw more, and heard more than I did, but I pretty much knew most of it from professional acquaintances who knew the case. I thought Roddie Bryants' attorney could have done a better job of casting Roddie as a "follower", who went along thinking that Greg (the former Investigator with the DA's Office) must know what he was doing, and Roddie was just trying to help. Fact is, without Roddie videoing the last moments of the chase / shooting, this incident was over and forgotten about within days of its' occurrence back in February of 2020. Think about it: why would you make a video of your neighbors and you committing a crime? So while I do think he was guilty of some of the charges, I don't believe he ever intended or anticipated that it could go this bad. Lesson to those who "follow the mob". If it goes bad, you could find yourself caught up in something very, very serious.

So now we move on to the sentencing, and then the Fed trial on hate crimes currently projected for February 2022. Good luck finding odds on that one.

This will not be known as the Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia. Maybe tonight a bunch of people who have not slept well in a long time can finally get a good night's rest. For those who so loudly proclaimed "No Justice, No Peace", we have had justice.

Now maybe we can have some peace. Lord know it's past time.
 
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I have not been following this case at all so can someone tell me what the guy who recorded it did other than record it? Was he involved in some other way and charged for that or just charged for being their and videoing it?
 
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NEO said:
I have not been following this case at all so can someone tell me what the guy who recorded it did other than record it? Was he involved in some other way and charged for that or just charged for being their and videoing it?
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He was involved in some other way. There are a bunch of YouTube videos, including one that shows the GBI investigation breakdown of his involvement.

Sorry, but I'm just too weary of all this to go back over it. If you can't find it let me know, and in a week or two I'll post the YT links.
 
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Was the “neighbor” found not guilty of the accompanying felonies? How was he convicted of the felony murder?

What am I missing here?
 
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BreatheUT said:
The guy is such a buffoon.
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More of a baboon. And not a very intelligent one at that.

On point of the thread the jury reached the right verdict. They were all clearly guilty. However could someone explain how there are three counts of felony murder in a case where there was one victim? Im sure it’s just some specific application of GA law not doubting it just doesn’t make sense to me.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I think this country has taken a dangerous turn in the POTUS commenting about every high profile case. It started with Obama. He opened the door for this crap. Trump did it. Now Biden is at it. It's hard seeing the genie going back in the bottle. Something else Obama started that is detrimental to this country.
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I don't know about that. Bill Clinton released a public statement and spoke frequently about the O.J, Simpson trial and verdict in 1995.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
More of a baboon. And not a very intelligent one at that.

On point of the thread the jury reached the right verdict. They were all clearly guilty. However could someone explain how there are three counts of felony murder in a case where there was one victim? Im sure it’s just some specific application of GA law not doubting it just doesn’t make sense to me.
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Ash explained it above. Maybe a few pages back.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't know about that. Bill Clinton released a public statement and spoke frequently about the O.J, Simpson trial and verdict in 1995.
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I don't think many remember that and it was a possible exception and rare. I know I don't remember Clinton making a comment and I was actually hoping OJ was found innocent at the time. To show you how times have changed due to social media, I was in college and didn't gaf about politics.
 
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