The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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VolsSportsFan said:
You responded to mine, and I stand by what I said. I know exactly what happened in regards to being able to convict for manslaughter.
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I know it was your post. My point is we don't know exactly what happened. I will agree that we know enough to comfortably support a manslaughter charge though.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Depends on situation. Are we looking for someone around your neighborhood who did something bad? If itā€™s a home invasion no, if itā€™s a homeless guy who is breaking lawn ornaments maybe.
But you are asking the wrong question. These guys were trying to follow before the police got there. They were waiting on them. That I have seen happen several times in the past
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Can you imagine:
Mcdad: hey Ricky, I think I found the dude stealing in my neighborhood. I'm gonna follow.
Ricky: ok
Mcdad: I'm gonna block his path.
Ricky: ok
Mcdad: I'm gonna get out of my truck holding my shotgun and talk to him
Ricky: lmfao..you crazy, mcdad. Ok.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
That will undoubtedly be the defense's claim should the grand jury choose to indict the McMichaels. I would assume that they will end up being tried for manslaughter, but it seems weird to act as if there aren't a lot more details regarding this situation that need to come to light in the coming weeks/months.
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Maybe, but even if he did trespass and they 100% saw him, that's no excuse for their actions. I thought the entire point of how it works is you aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and I fail to see how this isn't 100% an example of this happening.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again the legal argument is whether the suspects assault on the guy led to his death. There is no evidence the suspect wouldā€™ve been shot otherwise
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There is no reason to believe the deceased would have attacked the man if he didn't feel threatened. Which side created the situation that led to the man's death? Two men, armed, in no way representing the legal authority, acting on suspicion alone, pursuing a lone unarmed man instead of waiting for the police despite news reports they were instructed by 911 not to pursue. If these two men had not engaged in the actions they did, there is no way the suspect would have been shot and killed.
 
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BlackCreekVol said:
what business did he have peeking in windows? Maybe he could have answered if he didnā€™t run and fight. Liberals....always taking the side of the poor mistreated criminal
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Conservatives, crow about freedom but apparently in situations like this suddenly people are supposed to do exactly what they are told even when it's not an authority figure.

Also you said he stole, now peaking in a window (of an under construction house) is the same as "stealing"?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Trespassing on others property is a crime yes.
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Thanks Barney Fife; now if someone saw me do that and a day later saw me jogging and decided to chase me down in a truck with his son and armed, do you think that's an appropriate response?
 
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BlackCreekVol said:
what business did he have peeking in windows? Maybe he could have answered if he didnā€™t run and fight. Liberals....always taking the side of the poor mistreated criminal
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Might want to take a step back. Not everyone in this argument is a liberal.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Thanks Barney Fife; now if someone saw me do that and a day later saw me jogging and decided to chase me down in a truck with his son and armed, do you think that's an appropriate response?
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I said I didnā€™t agree with that. But the suspect is the one who amped it up to a physical assault
 
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Weezer said:
Might want to take a step back. Not everyone in this argument is a liberal.
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I don't even know what being a liberal or conservative had to do with anything. He accused of them of stealing and I wanted to know what he stole.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I said I didnā€™t agree with that. But the suspect is the one who amped it up to a physical assault
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Ok so they chase me, and confront me with a gun. I have no idea who these guys are or what they want and make a reasonable assumption they want to kill me, you're saying if I try to disarm them to save my life, it's my fault I got shot? I wouldn't have the right to try to defend myself?

If I had a gun and shot him, would I be ok then?
 
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Good grief. Obviously some people donā€™t have enough to do. You people have spent 20 pages arguing something that isnā€™t debatable. Two redneck vigilantes chase down and kill a guy in the street just because they ā€œthinkā€ he might have done something. And itā€™s on video. Sorry but that dog wonā€™t hunt especially in the climate we are in these days. Those two morons will be headed up the river and, if they are smart, theyā€™ll take the first plea bargain offered. Next subject.
 
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