The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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BreatheUT said:
Yes, I think they intended to kill him from the beginning.

I also think there are certain times you make an example out of people. For instance, a person goes into a convenience store or fast food chain to rob it. Kills teenagers as collateral damage. If found and convicted, don't just hand out life as a verdict. Give them the death penalty in all cases, then you will reduce the number of robbery/homicides involving people just trying to earn a paycheck and in some cases kids who just work a few hours while going to school.

In this case, I think you attempt to give these guys the hammer. Life in prison or 25 or more.
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Obviously you can believe as you wish but I have no reason to believe, and moreso there would be any ability to legally prove, the kind of mens rea you posit.

A lengthy prison sentence is by no means off the table.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Yes, I think they intended to kill him from the beginning.

I also think there are certain times you make an example out of people. For instance, a person goes into a convenience store or fast food chain to rob it. Kills teenagers as collateral damage. If found and convicted, don't just hand out life as a verdict. Give them the death penalty in all cases, then you will reduce the number of robbery/homicides involving people just trying to earn a paycheck and in some cases kids who just work a few hours while going to school.

In this case, I think you attempt to give these guys the hammer. Life in prison or 25 or more.
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If they intended to kill him why call 911, why attempt to stop and talk to him? I could go on and on.

Honestly you are on the verge of being as unobjective as 77 is on this case.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I didn't say he is on the right side of the truck, I said he's in the right lane on the front side of the truck.

How could the guy push him back if he's not on the front side of the truck? If he's at the wheel well or behind the front of the truck, that would mean the truck is between them. Makes no sense. You can see from his shadow and the truck's shadow that he's in front of the truck. You're a fraud and too biased to even converse with.
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"a fraud"? Why don't you watch the video from 00:18 to 00:30 at regular speed and tell me in your OWN words, what is happening
 
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BreatheUT said:
Yes, I think they intended to kill him from the beginning.

I also think there are certain times you make an example out of people. For instance, a person goes into a convenience store or fast food chain to rob it. Kills teenagers as collateral damage. If found and convicted, don't just hand out life as a verdict. Give them the death penalty in all cases, then you will reduce the number of robbery/homicides involving people just trying to earn a paycheck and in some cases kids who just work a few hours while going to school.

In this case, I think you attempt to give these guys the hammer. Life in prison or 25 or more.
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what makes you think they set out to kill him from the beginning? that's a heavy stretch
 
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BreatheUT said:
Yes, I think they intended to kill him from the beginning.

I also think there are certain times you make an example out of people. For instance, a person goes into a convenience store or fast food chain to rob it. Kills teenagers as collateral damage. If found and convicted, don't just hand out life as a verdict. Give them the death penalty in all cases, then you will reduce the number of robbery/homicides involving people just trying to earn a paycheck and in some cases kids who just work a few hours while going to school.

In this case, I think you attempt to give these guys the hammer. Life in prison or 25 or more.
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There is also a problem with your comparison. Big difference between going into a store to rob it and attempting to stop someone you believe may be responsible for a crime, stupid as it was to do so. The intent is different in both cases.
 
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TheDeeble said:
If I see someone with a gun looking at me the wrong way, I'm putting as much distance as possible between me and that person. If I'm on the road like the guy in the video, I'm cutting through yards where they can't get near me in a truck.
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Why? Would that someone have placed you in fear for your life?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You have no idea what intent means from a legal perspective.
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He stated he thought they intended to kill the guy. I was asking valid questions that do not fall in line with the intent to murder. My points remain valid.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Serious question, has anything been released that would support stating he was not an innocent man?
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I haven't been following this so I don't know BUT I'd bet a dime to a dollar he was up to no good. That doesn't excuse what those idiots did but I doubt he was anything close to being an "innocent man".
 
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KB5252 said:
He stated he thought they intended to kill the guy. I was asking valid questions that do not have in line with the intent to murder. My points remain valid.
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Intent can be formed in an instant. When he pulled the trigger while aiming at the guy... intent to kill.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Serious question, has anything been released that would support stating he was not an innocent man?
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There is more neighborhood home security evidence forthcoming per the DA. Allegedly showing him prowling around on multiple properties looking into windows and trying to open them.
His criminal history, the recent rash of criminal incidents in the area which is not easily accessible, and where he lives compared to this area all are other factors
 
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hog88 said:
I haven't been following this so I don't know BUT I'd bet a dime to a dollar he was up to no good. That doesn't excuse what those idiots did but I doubt he was anything close to being an "innocent man".
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You are making a character assassination with no evidence whatsoever.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Its similar to Martin but not anywhere close to Brown
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I don't think it's similar to Martin in that Martin had lost Zimmerman then doubled back to confront him. Martin was in the wind, the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following him, and Zimmerman complied and gave up the search. At that point, Martin became the aggressor. That does not appear to be the case here.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Intent can be formed in an instant. When he pulled the trigger while aiming at the guy... intent to kill.
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You could argue that the guy rushing him and attempting to take the gun away made him fear for his life as well. That's why this is manslaughter IMO.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
There is more neighborhood home security evidence forthcoming per the DA. Allegedly showing him prowling around on multiple properties looking into windows and trying to open them.
His criminal history, the recent rash of criminal incidents in the area which is not easily accessible, and where he lives compared to this area all are other factors
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What is his criminal history? And did these yahoos have the videos of break-ins and thus something more definitive than black male, young, medium height and build?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Serious question, has anything been released that would support stating he was not an innocent man?
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The family needs to stop with this argument that Arbery was out for a jog. He clearly wasn't. Trying to make that case makes him look suspicious by default, whether that's fair or not.

But whether he was "innocent" or not really doesn't matter, because his assailants didn't witness him commit a crime and had no business pursuing, detaining, or confronting him.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't think it's similar to Martin in that Martin had lost Zimmerman then doubled back to confront him. Martin was in the wind, the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following him, and Zimmerman complied and gave up the search. At that point, Martin became the aggressor. That does not appear to be the case here.
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I think its similar that both cases involve people trying to police their neighborhoods, not using the best judgment and calling 911 while trying to identify who the suspects were. Both tried to talk to said subjects and yes pursued them, and in both cases, the suspects both doubled back and physically assaulted the people and attempted to harm them seriously (one by bashing his head on the concrete, one by punching and stealing his gun) and got shot
 
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