The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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FLVOL_79 said:
I see this as manslaughter. Guys with guns tracking down some dude is stupid but the black guy attacked them first. Its going to be a mess no matter what and no one will be satisfied with the outcome.
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They threatened him. There is no way he didn't feel threatened. 2 armed guys tried to make a blockade with a parked vehicle, another vehicle in pursuit, and then when he tried to avoid them by going around the right side of the truck, the guy followed him all the way around it to meet him on the other side. There is no reasonable person that would say he shouldn't have felt threatened. If we can overcome DA corruption and get these guys in front of a jury, they're going down.
 
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From my understanding, the guy that was shot looked like a suspect in some break ins that happened in an area nearby. Why not just call the cops instead chasing him down with guns?
 
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Weezer said:
Manslaughter, I agree. You can't prove intent to murder. You can prove their actions directly led to the man's death.
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It's not very often, but I think most people are coming around to a sensible conclusion on this based on the evidence presented. The only one that isn't reaching that same conclusion is the resident cop.

That is scary.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
From my understanding, the guy that was shot looked like a suspect in some break ins that happened in an area nearby. Why not just call the cops instead chasing him down with guns?
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You send a very strong message to would-be criminals in an area when they know that a particular neighborhood has active gun owners patrolling. Simply nailing a Neighborhood Watch sign on a light post isn't much of a deterrent.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is value in having citizens patrolling their own neighborhoods. Unfortunately, this is a bad example of that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You send a very strong message to would-be criminals in an area when they know that a particular neighborhood has active gun owners patrolling. Simply nailing a Neighborhood Watch sign on a light post isn't much of a deterrent.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is value in having citizens patrolling their own neighborhoods. Unfortunately, this is a bad example of that.
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What's unfortunate about neighborhood watches is that the people who advocate for them most and want to be involved in them the most are typically folks who actually don't need to be on the neighborhood watch. Same deal with political offices...the people who really want to be in them actually don't need to be.

They don't necessarily want to get into a physical confrontation, but they are the overzealous, paranoid, busybody types who enjoy mixing it up with other people and it will probably eventually lead to one.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You send a very strong message to would-be criminals in an area when they know that a particular neighborhood has active gun owners patrolling. Simply nailing a Neighborhood Watch sign on a light post isn't much of a deterrent.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is value in having citizens patrolling their own neighborhoods. Unfortunately, this is a bad example of that.
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Sadly, this is an unfortunate situation. I understand neighborhood patrols. I live in a gated community. We have neighborhood surveillance and tend to look out for suspicious people/activities & report immediately. Luckily, those instances don’t happen often where I live. I am guessing that where this shooting took place may have been in a not so nice neighborhood? So comparing my part of town to theirs may not be a good comparison.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You think everything an officer does is "bad behavior". I will rightfully call out clear wrongdoings by any officer and have in the past
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No, I don't. I don't know how many times I have to say most cops are good people and do a good job. I have beloved family members who were cops and it pisses me off to see bad cops dishonor them.

You have very limited ability to see any wrongdoing with cops because of your incredible bias.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The only evidence of that is after the guy ran at him, hit him several times and tried to steal the gun from his hands
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Can you admit that he was trying to avoid them and the son moved from the backside of the truck in the left lane of the road to the front of the truck into the right lane? I just want to hear you acknowledge this.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You send a very strong message to would-be criminals in an area when they know that a particular neighborhood has active gun owners patrolling. Simply nailing a Neighborhood Watch sign on a light post isn't much of a deterrent.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is value in having citizens patrolling their own neighborhoods. Unfortunately, this is a bad example of that.
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I agree with being a watchful neighbor (no I don’t mean calling gov snitch lines because businesses and neighbors are acting in a “non- compliant” manner. I try to have a little situational awareness and if I see something off, contact the neighbor or call the police. I could not imagine pursuing someone with a gun drawn in my vehicle, especially for a minor property crime. I can’t imagine the intellect of someone that doesn’t see about a million things that can go wrong with this line of action.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They threatened him. There is no way he didn't feel threatened. 2 armed guys tried to make a blockade with a parked vehicle, another vehicle in pursuit, and then when he tried to avoid them by going around the right side of the truck, the guy followed him all the way around it to meet him on the other side. There is no reasonable person that would say he shouldn't have felt threatened. If we can overcome DA corruption and get these guys in front of a jury, they're going down.
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We'll never know.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
When you point a gun at someone... that makes you the aggressor
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I'm not sure I can say with certainty he did point the gun at the deceased until the deceased rushed him and attacked. If he had the shot would have likely come before contact, not after imo.

Not defending these guys by any means but details are important and from what I saw I can't support your assertion that he pointed the gun at them. Either way it doesn't change my mind in what their charges should be.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The only evidence of that is after the guy ran at him, hit him several times and tried to steal the gun from his hands
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The idiot was pointing the gun at an innocent man. The dead guy could have taken the gun away, shot the goober and still been in the clear.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, I don't. I don't know how many times I have to say most cops are good people and do a good job. I have beloved family members who were cops and it pisses me off to see bad cops dishonor them.

You have very limited ability to see any wrongdoing with cops because of your incredible bias.
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Bias? i have called out multiple instances where i agreed officers have been rude, condescending, abusive, or not following the law.

The great majority of the protect and serve thread is not that though, most of the instances are perfectly legal and understandable scenarios that some use to bash what they REALLY hate which is authority; i.e. they don't believe the police should have the authority to arrest people for DUI, drug dealing, etc.

Which they need to take up with the Supreme Court and politicians
 
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n_huffhines said:
Can you admit that he was trying to avoid them and the son moved from the backside of the truck in the left lane of the road to the front of the truck into the right lane? I just want to hear you acknowledge this.
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i watched the video in slow motion. To me it looks like the suspect was running away, and then made a beeline to attack the son, who appeared to be standing in front of his door on the drivers side, it doesnt look like he is standing in front of the truck, as his feet are standing still on the drivers side.

The only clear thing on the video is that the suspect is the one who does a 180 and runs to attack the son physically and tries to steal the shotgun away
 
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Purple Tiger said:
The idiot was pointing the gun at an innocent man. The dead guy could have taken the gun away, shot the goober and still been in the clear.
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I do not believe it is known a firearms was pointed at anyone prior to the struggle. (I certainly don't know this to be the case)

And don't get too carried away with that 2nd part either. Depending on what the person did after being disarmed would play a huge role in the legality of the shooting you describe.

These are the kinds of things that need to, and I think most likely will, find their way in front of a jury.
 
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