The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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#54
Weezer said:
They created the situation. They armed themselves and set out to chase this guy down. Absolutely they should be charged. Wrestling with an armed man wasn't a good idea, but what the two armed men did was still wrong.
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No obvious crime was committed until the guy assaulted them
 
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According to neighbors, there had been break-ins in the area. Arbery was allegedly spotted at a home that was under construction before he began to run. 911 calls came in moments later.

A dispatcher on one 911 call can be heard asking, "and you said someone is breaking into it right now?"

"No, it's all open, it's under construction. And he's running right now. There he goes right now," the caller says.

The dispatcher then asks what the man is doing and the caller says, "running down the street."

Mom of Ahmaud Arbery says he was chased and shot to death while jogging: "An arrest should have been made" - CBS News
 
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McDad said:
He did take swings. I saw it on the video.

But if I feel threatened and don't think I have any other way out, somebody is catching these hands.

Big difference between assault and defending myself.
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No other way out?
The choices were:

- stop and wait for the police to arrive sine they were on the way
- keep running away in the direction away from them as they couldn’t catch him
- run straight towards the guy and punch him and try to steal his shotgun
 
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McDad said:
White shirt ran toward two dudes parked in the middle of the street. He wasnt boxed in!

Your post is as bad a Ricky's.
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He look to have run around the truck, which was attempting to block his path on a public street. That's when the struggle occurred.

Anybody know what the involvement of the videographer was? Was this just a chance occurrence, or was the truck supposed to block the front escape and the guy taking the video the rear escape?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No obvious crime was committed until the guy assaulted them
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This is the defense that will be used and it will be interesting because obviously there was a struggle and you can see on the video that Arbery is punching the guy in the head. Of course what will be at question is who attacked whom? Did the guy with the gun only react after Arbery grabbed the gun or did he instigate the physical assualt?

Hopefully the prosecutor won't overcharge and go for murder like the idiots did in the Zimmerman case. Charge him with involuntary manslaughter. Much easier to convict. Zimmerman would be in jail if the prosecution had not been cowards and caved to SJW pressure.
 
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evillawyer said:
He look to have run around the truck, which was attempting to block his path on a public street. That's when the struggle occurred.

Anybody know what the involvement of the videographer was? Was this just a chance occurrence, or was the truck supposed to block the front escape and the guy taking the video the rear escape?
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I was wondering that too. Kind of annoyed that just as Arbery was getting to the truck he moves the camera away for some reason, then he picks it back up.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
For assaulting a dude
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He was obviously being threatened. I'm pretty sure it's not legal to threaten someone with a gun, and since they were civilians, neither of the two men had the lawful authority to detain the guy. You're making a bull **** argument. Those two men violated the law and someone ended up dead. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This is not self defense because their actions created the imminent danger.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No other way out?
The choices were:

- stop and wait for the police to arrive sine they were on the way
- keep running away in the direction away from them as they couldn’t catch him
- run straight towards the guy and punch him and try to steal his shotgun
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I've made one of those 3 points already.

White shirt made a bad choice to go towards them.

But if those two had already cut him off once and he had reason to think they'd do it again, I can understand how he'd feel he was out of options.
 
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evillawyer said:
He look to have run around the truck, which was attempting to block his path on a public street. That's when the struggle occurred.

Anybody know what the involvement of the videographer was? Was this just a chance occurrence, or was the truck supposed to block the front escape and the guy taking the video the rear escape?
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I'm not replying to you any more in this thread. Your agenda which waits in ambush is not worth the time it takes to type a reply.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No other way out?
The choices were:

- stop and wait for the police to arrive sine they were on the way
- keep running away in the direction away from them as they couldn’t catch him
- run straight towards the guy and punch him and try to steal his shotgun
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Dude, the two men had no authority to arm themselves and chase this guy down. Zilch. Nada. None. Their actions led to the situation. It was unlawful. Not sure why you're defending them?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No other way out?
The choices were:

- stop and wait for the police to arrive sine they were on the way
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He wasn't the one who called the cops, so it would have been difficult for him to know if this was an option.

- keep running away in the direction away from them as they couldn’t catch him
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According to the report, he tried that, and they looped around and got in front of him again.

- run straight towards the guy and punch him and try to steal his shotgun
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Did he know that the guy had a shotgun until it was pointed at him at close range?

Are you serious with this crap?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No other way out?
The choices were:

- stop and wait for the police to arrive sine they were on the way
- keep running away in the direction away from them as they couldn’t catch him
- run straight towards the guy and punch him and try to steal his shotgun
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LMAO at your first point. There's no way he knew that the police were coming.

Second, I don't think the kid new WTF was going on. The truck probably passed him while he was jogging and stopped on the road ahead so that they could gear up to attack him. He seems to run around the truck and then the guy fires a shot at him. The only thing that kid could do is fight back.

To your 3rd point, if you were unarmed and a guy in close proximity starts firing at you, you would probably defend yourself any way possible. What you said certainly isn't what I saw on that video.
 
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Weezer said:
He was obviously being threatened. I'm pretty sure it's not legal to threaten someone with a gun, and since they were civilians, neither of the two men had the lawful authority to detain the guy. You're making a bull **** argument. Those two men violated the law and someone ended up dead. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This is not self defense because their actions created the imminent danger.
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Possession of a firearm doesn’t equal “threatening” someone. If they never verbally threatened him or pointed it at him, they simply told him to stop and that they had called the police. Now he could’ve kept running away and ignored them or stopped to talk to police but he chose to fight them and atttempt to steal the guys gun
 
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Bigun said:
This is the defense that will be used and it will be interesting because obviously there was a struggle and you can see on the video that Arbery is punching the guy in the head. Of course what will be at question is who attacked whom? Did the guy with the gun only react after Arbery grabbed the gun or did he instigate the physical assualt?

Hopefully the prosecutor won't overcharge and go for murder like the idiots did in the Zimmerman case. Charge him with involuntary manslaughter. Much easier to convict. Zimmerman would be in jail if the prosecution had not been cowards and caved to SJW pressure.
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Agree it should be manslaughter charges, but not sure it should be involuntary. The two men took questionable actions that led to this man's death. They created the situation through unlawful action.
 
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Matt2496 said:
LMAO at your first point. There's no way he knew that the police were coming.

Second, I don't think the kid new WTF was going on. The truck probably passed him while he was jogging and stopped on the road ahead so that they could gear up to attack him. He seems to run around the truck and then the guy fires a shot at him. The only thing that kid could do is fight back.

To your 3rd point, if you were unarmed and a guy in close proximity starts firing at you, you would probably defend yourself any way possible. What you said certainly isn't what I saw on that video.
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1) maybe. Maybe not but they stated they had called the police and that’s when the guy had originally took off running
2) pass while “jogging”. Nice try. He “jogged” into that neighborhood and onto two peoples property prowling around and he has a long history of burglaries and assaults
3) no one fired at him until he attacked them
 
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The self defense part is flimsy at best, but the only way to go imo. If this happened in the yard of the white guys house, then that's different, but taking the time to arm yourself, go down the road, and apparently have time to wait on him....doesn't exactly lend itself to a life threatening situation. JMO.

Personally I hate a thief and my SOP is that I will step on porch and advise you to leave my property if need be chase you off of it with my gun but not leave my property. Also, if you step one foot inside my house....then it's on and I don't care what color or sex you are......you will get more shots than Arbery got...and I wouldn't feel bad about it.
 
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