The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Rickyvol77 said:
I said he has a long history of burglaries. He didn’t just end up in that neighborhood “jogging”. He was seen trespassing on two peoples property looking in windows. That’s why they called the police and tried to identify him in the first place.
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Then you let the police respond.
 
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Bigun said:
Yep, this is where they are in trouble imo. Going after someone not on your property and then shooting them is hard to defend imo.
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You could argue the going after someone on your property part but the shooting happened because the guy assaulted them
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If someone comes up to me and says “stop I’ve called the police because of ....” my first thought isn’t to go up and punch him or run from him. But then again I’m not a felon either
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IF they said that. Again, a dead man can't refute it.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Possession of a firearm doesn’t equal “threatening” someone. If they never verbally threatened him or pointed it at him, they simply told him to stop and that they had called the police. Now he could’ve kept running away and ignored them or stopped to talk to police but he chose to fight them and atttempt to steal the guys gun
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Here's the problem and I don't pretend to know the answer. I'm expecting this is going to trial and we'll here about it then. Try this on:

I'm a concealed carry holder. I'm jogging down the road and some dude's I've never seen before bail out and one of them points a shotgun at me. At that point would I be justified in using my own deadly force against what would be construed as as a clear threat against a deadly weapon? I think odds are extremely high my shooting of that person would be justified as self defense.

Now act out the above scenario with the only tweak being I'm not carrying. Same scenario, same perception of imminent threat and bodily harm. Would not a desperation attack to disarm the person not fall under the same self defense umbrella as pulling my own firearm? I believe it could. (not that the aforementioned hauling ass wouldn't be the most prudent course of action)

The question now at trial will be if the actions of the men doing the armed confronting constituted sufficient threat for the victim to justifiably react in the manner he did. If that is what is concluded and the end result unlawful and threatening actions against the victim resulted in his death we're probably looking at a manslaughter of kind.
 
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hndog609 said:
Here's the problem and I don't pretend to know the answer. I'm expecting this is going to trial and we'll here about it then. Try this on:

I'm a concealed carry holder. I'm jogging down the road and some dude's I've never seen before bail out and one of them points a shotgun at me. At that point would I be justified in using my own deadly force against what would be construed as as a clear threat against a deadly weapon? I think odds are extremely high my shooting of that person would be justified as self defense.

Now act out the above scenario with the only tweak being I'm not carrying. Same scenario, same perception of imminent threat and bodily harm. Would not a desperation attack to disarm the person not fall under the same self defense umbrella as pulling my own firearm? I believe it could. (not that the aforementioned hauling ass wouldn't be the most prudent course of action)

The question now at trial will be if the actions of the men doing the armed confronting constituted sufficient threat for the victim to justifiably react in the manner he did. If that is what is concluded and the end result unlawful and threatening actions against the victim resulted in his death we're probably looking at a manslaughter of kind.
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Except they didn’t point any firearms at him. Until he attacked them
 
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McDad said:
These mfers are out in the mf street!!!! Already cut him off once.
Someone in that video should have had an IQ over 70. Not one of them did.

Am I correct to assume the shooter is middle aged?
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I think I read where these guys house had been one of the ones that had been broken into. If they suspected it was him that did it and had called the police, they should have just followed him in their truck until the police got there........or better, let the police handle it.
 
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Bigun said:
I think I read where these guys house had been one of the ones that had been broken into. If they suspected it was him that did it and had called the police, they should have just followed him in their truck until the police got there........or better, let the police handle it.
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They tried both
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Maybe. Maybe not. But he was the one( just like Trayvon) to try and assault a guy instead of just waiting for the police because he knew he would likely be questioned and/or arrested
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You can’t blame the guy for fighting back against two men that are armed but at the same time.... it is hard to feel sorry for someone if he has a huge history of B&E and was on other people’s property.
 
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volbeast33 said:
You can’t blame the guy for fighting back against two men that are armed but at the same time.... it is hard to feel sorry for someone if he has a huge history of B&E and was on other people’s property.
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I'm curious as to this history of B&E? The only thing I've seen about his record was a shoplifting conviction.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They have law enforcement experience. They were defending their neighborhood from a felon who had been trespassing looking into windows and had ran from them. They called 911 as was verified and everything they told the DA was the truth. And the felon guy was the one who assaulted them. You could argue all day about what you or I or anyone could do differently but Facts are facts
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They had no way of knowing he was a felon at the time they initiated pursuit. They suspected him of a crime but had no legal authority to detain him. Their actions were criminal and led to the death of a man. Those are facts. We only have their word they said they had called the police because the other guy is dead. There is no way to verify that. The "felon" as you like to call him was obviously in a threatening situation created by the two armed men through unlawful action. Again, facts. They deserve to be prosecuted.
 
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bamawriter said:
If they were following him, how did they wind up in front of him?
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He cut thru someone’s property and tried to double back. The neighborhood has only one way in and out which is another reason they knew he wasn’t jogging there. They attempted to follow to identify him and he cut back behind a woman’s house to hit the exit. That’s close to where they were parked and then he double backed and attacked the guy
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You could argue the going after someone on your property part but the shooting happened because the guy assaulted them
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After they attempted to unlawfully detain him. You keep skipping over the facts inconvenient to your argument.
 
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Weezer said:
They had no way of knowing he was a felon at the time they initiated pursuit. They suspected him of a crime but had no legal authority to detain him. Their actions were criminal and led to the death of a man. Those are facts. We only have their word they said they had called the police because the other guy is dead. There is no way to verify that. The "felon" as you like to call him was obviously in a threatening situation created by the two armed men through unlawful action. Again, facts. They deserve to be prosecuted.
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911 has recordings you know. The fact they called the police and told them exactly what was going on is not up for debate
 
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Weezer said:
After they attempted to unlawfully detain him. You keep skipping over the facts inconvenient to your argument.
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They never approached to grab him. They asked him to stop because the police were coming. He could’ve continued to run and they never made any attempt to “grab him” or anything
 
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