The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Rickyvol77 said:
Possession of a firearm doesn’t equal “threatening” someone.
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It does when you're accosting someone.

If they never verbally threatened him or pointed it at him, they simply told him to stop and that they had called the police.
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Your argument rests on a pretty massive "if."

Now he could’ve kept running away and ignored them or stopped to talk to police but he chose to fight them and atttempt to steal the guys gun[/QUOTE}

Did he attempt to steal the gun or did he attempt to defend himself from being shot?
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Rickyvol77 said:
1) maybe. Maybe not but they stated they had called the police and that’s when the guy had originally took off running
2) pass while “jogging”. Nice try. He “jogged” into that neighborhood and onto two peoples property prowling around and he has a long history of burglaries and assaults
3) no one fired at him until he attacked them
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Wait. I understood one poster to say this guy was suspected of robbery. You're stating he was the robber.

Which is it?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Possession of a firearm doesn’t equal “threatening” someone. If they never verbally threatened him or pointed it at him, they simply told him to stop and that they had called the police. Now he could’ve kept running away and ignored them or stopped to talk to police but he chose to fight them and atttempt to steal the guys gun
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It does when you're pursuing them. They didn't have to verbally threaten him for their actions to be threatening. If someone is following you, obviously chasing you, are you seriously suggesting you wouldn't feel threatened?
 
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McDad said:
Wait. I understood one poster to say this guy was suspected of robbery. You're stating he was the robber.

Which is it?
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I said he has a long history of burglaries. He didn’t just end up in that neighborhood “jogging”. He was seen trespassing on two peoples property looking in windows. That’s why they called the police and tried to identify him in the first place.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
1) maybe. Maybe not but they stated they had called the police and that’s when the guy had originally took off running
2) pass while “jogging”. Nice try. He “jogged” into that neighborhood and onto two peoples property prowling around and he has a long history of burglaries and assaults
3) no one fired at him until he attacked them
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Still though. It isn't a citizen's responsibility to grab their guns to go hunt down criminals. Especially someone who they only think is a criminal. That should be the police's job.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I said he has a long history of burglaries. He didn’t just end up in that neighborhood “jogging”. He was seen trespassing on two peoples property looking in windows. That’s why they called the police and tried to identify him in the first place.
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Flimsy.
 
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Weezer said:
It does when you're pursuing them. They didn't have to verbally threaten him for their actions to be threatening. If someone is following you, obviously chasing you, are you seriously suggesting you wouldn't feel threatened?
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If someone comes up to me and says “stop I’ve called the police because of ....” my first thought isn’t to go up and punch him or run from him. But then again I’m not a felon either
 
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Matt2496 said:
Still though. It isn't a citizen's responsibility to grab their guns to go hunt down criminals. Especially someone who they only think is a criminal. That should be the police's job.
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I wouldn’t have done it myself however the one who committed the assault here was the felon guy
 
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If I remember correctly the one who shot Aubrey was a retired P.O. And his son who was with him is a PO. I'll have to confirm that.
The neighborhood they live in had a recent rash of B&E. There was only one way in and one way out.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Still though. It isn't a citizen's responsibility to grab their guns to go hunt down criminals. Especially someone who they only think is a criminal. That should be the police's job.
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If dude came onto gunner's property, gunner has a right to defend. There is no right to pursue out into the streets, set up a blockade, and detain.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Might want to check your law on citizens arrest powers
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Police can arrest someone upon suspicion of a crime. For a citizen's arrest to be valid, the citizen has to have actually witnessed the crime or have "immediate knowledge" of the crime. These guys have not claimed any such knowledge. They can claim self-defense, but a citizen's arrest defense will never see a jury.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Still though. It isn't a citizen's responsibility to grab their guns to go hunt down criminals. Especially someone who they only think is a criminal. That should be the police's job.
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These guys have law enforcement experience
 
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Matt2496 said:
LMAO at your first point. There's no way he knew that the police were coming.

Second, I don't think the kid new WTF was going on. The truck probably passed him while he was jogging and stopped on the road ahead so that they could gear up to attack him. He seems to run around the truck and then the guy fires a shot at him. The only thing that kid could do is fight back.

To your 3rd point, if you were unarmed and a guy in close proximity starts firing at you, you would probably defend yourself any way possible. What you said certainly isn't what I saw on that video.
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To your 2nd point, the 911 calls indicate he was in a house under construction snooping around and then took off running. So he wasn't jogging and was likely there to look to steal something. Also, that doesn't mean what the other guys did was right though. The son needs to be charged with voluntary manslaughter.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
1) maybe. Maybe not but they stated they had called the police and that’s when the guy had originally took off running
2) pass while “jogging”. Nice try. He “jogged” into that neighborhood and onto two peoples property prowling around and he has a long history of burglaries and assaults
3) no one fired at him until he attacked them
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Convenient their story is "we told him we called the police". A dead man can't confirm if that's true or not. The two men would have had no prior knowledge to the guy's criminal record so that doesn't hold water either. His "attack" was provoked by obviously feeling threatened.

We normally agree on quite a bit, but I think you're arguing out of your ass on this. Those men pursued that man while armed. They went looking for trouble and found it. I have no sympathy for them. They weren't defending their property or their family. They were trying to take the law into their own hands.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Maybe. Maybe not. But he was the one( just like Trayvon) to try and assault a guy instead of just waiting for the police because he knew he would likely be questioned and/or arrested
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These mfers are out in the mf street!!!! Already cut him off once.
Someone in that video should have had an IQ over 70. Not one of them did.

Am I correct to assume the shooter is middle aged?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
If I remember correctly the one who shot Aubrey was a retired P.O. And his son who was with him is a PO. I'll have to confirm that.
The neighborhood they live in had a recent rash of B&E. There was only one way in and one way out.
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Correction mcmicheals was a former investigator for the prosecutor.
 
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Weezer said:
Convenient their story is "we told him we called the police". A dead man can't confirm if that's true or not. The two men would have had no prior knowledge to the guy's criminal record so that doesn't hold water either. His "attack" was provoked by obviously feeling threatened.
We normally agree on quite a bit, but I think you're arguing out of your ass on this. Those men pursued that man while armed. They went looking for trouble and found it. I have no sympathy for them. They weren't defending their property or their family. They were trying to take the law into their own hands.
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They have law enforcement experience. They were defending their neighborhood from a felon who had been trespassing looking into windows and had ran from them. They called 911 as was verified and everything they told the DA was the truth. And the felon guy was the one who assaulted them. You could argue all day about what you or I or anyone could do differently but Facts are facts
 
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McDad said:
If dude came onto gunner's property, gunner has a right to defend. There is no right to pursue out into the streets, set up a blockade, and detain.
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Yep, this is where they are in trouble imo. Going after someone not on your property and then shooting them is hard to defend imo.
 
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