The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[Rickyvol77]

Chiming in late, but even if the guy was acting suspiciously it was non violent in nature. We have a real problem on on our hands when citizens take it upon themselves to investigate and detain others.

Different states have different takes on this, but most citizens do have the right to detain others suspected of criminal activity

 

[Rickyvol77]

I think these 2 men are idiots. I think what these men did was completely horrible, evil, and uncalled for. These men wouldn't want me on the jury.

With that said, I haven't seen any evidence that race was involved with this. These 2 men were looking for trouble and I honestly don't think race would've mattered here.

i wouldnt call it evil...if you want to say they were idiotic with some of their actions, i could agree....evil is a totally separate category

 

[bamawriter]

You’re confusing legality and rights. You have that right. The state may not recognize it, but that doesn’t negate it. The state didn’t recognize the rights of Jews to live during the Holocaust. It did not change the fact that they had that right

Well, if you're willing to risk a lengthy prison sentence in order to violently take back your property, then more power to you.

 

[bamawriter]

Different states have different takes on this, but most citizens do have the right to detain others suspected of criminal activity

Nope, not "suspected." "Immediate knowledge" is a way higher standard than "suspicion." Heck, it's higher than probably cause.

 

[volfanhill]

In the weeks leading up to the shooting no police reports about break ins.

Ahmaud Arbery was killed doing what he loved, and a south Georgia community demands justice - CNN

 

[Rickyvol77]

If you believe they are guilty of false imprisonment, then how do you not see manslaughter? One illegal action led to another. Think about it. They are engaged in an illegal action trying to detain him. During the commission of said illegal action, the man is killed. That screams manslaughter IMO.

i didnt say they were guilty of it, i said that was the weakest part of the case and the one that is the easiest to pick apart. Not as easy to pick apart the self-defense because that was clearly caught on video

 

[Rickyvol77]

It's scary that regular joes understand the law better than this seasoned leo

might want to read up on some law instead of what you feelz

 

[Vol8188]

In the weeks leading up to the shooting no police reports about break ins.

Ahmaud Arbery was killed doing what he loved, and a south Georgia community demands justice - CNN

Fake news. One of the two men reported his vehicle being broken into and a gun stolen.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Unless they saw him commit a felony, they have no legal right to try to detain him. Suspicious behavior is not enough

you can detain someone for misdemeanors also

 

[Bigun]

In the weeks leading up to the shooting no police reports about break ins.

Ahmaud Arbery was killed doing what he loved, and a south Georgia community demands justice - CNN

Not that it matters alot, but I know the media has to put this out there about the "jogging" because it is more sympathetic to the victim card of he was just being care-free etc. It seems pretty obvious from the 911 calls he wasn't jogging as one person reported him inside one of the houses under construction before he took off running. Doesn't mean he deserved to be killed, just more talking about how they are framing it.

 

[Rickyvol77]

South isn't exactly known for it's unity in diversity.

unlike places like NYC, LA, Chicago, Detroit, or Boston lol

 

[volfanhill]

Fake news. One of the two men reported his vehicle being broken into and a gun stolen.

That police report would be easy to find right

 

[Rickyvol77]

If I were a betting man, I would bet that at 11 seconds in on that video the image will be able to be enhanced and you will see both men pointing guns at the victim. Felony battery in Ga. Also, makes self defense an untenable argument.

LOL you would lose the bet, you can clearly see the father in the back of the truck was slow to react and had to pull his firearm from it's holster as Arbery attacked the son

 

[Vol8188]

That police report would be easy to find right

Yes it would. There’s also surveillance photos of him on the man’s property that the aunt said was her nephew.

 

[bamawriter]

Yes it would. There’s also surveillance photos of him on the man’s property that the aunt said was her nephew.

You're right in that there was definitely a police report filed for the auto burglary. Still doesn't rise anywhere near the level of "immediate knowledge" that would be required to justify a citizen's arrest.

 

[Weezer]

i didnt say they were guilty of it, i said that was the weakest part of the case and the one that is the easiest to pick apart. Not as easy to pick apart the self-defense because that was clearly caught on video

If they can prove that, then it stands to reason they can prove the other. Hell, prove felonious false imprisonment and you could probably get a murder charge for a death that occurred during the commission of a felony. Still think manslaughter should be easily proven IMO, but a lot depends on the make up of the GJ. They don't always get it right.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Defense attorneys are pieces of crap. A really good defense attorney will focus on Arbery punching and wrestling the gun with the guy before he gets shot. Not saying I believe that, just likely what they will focus on. Depending on how much money the defendants have and who agrees to take the case, they can get a piece of trash attorney like Johnny Cochran or the guy that defended the LAPD officers that wailed on Rodney King and make a case...especially if the prosecution is stupid and overcharges the defendants.

Will not be allowed to present self defense. You can't rob someone and then claim self defense if they fight back

 

[Vol8188]

That police report would be easy to find right

 

[Vol8188]

You're right in that there was definitely a police report filed for the auto burglary. Still doesn't rise anywhere near the level of "immediate knowledge" that would be required to justify a citizen's arrest.

I agree with you on a lot of that. What I would do and what I believe should be legal, aren’t always the same. Like the man who attacked his child’s abuser in a court room a year or so ago. I would do that. But I also don’t believe it should be legal.

This is a case I think we all need to wait for more facts on

 

[ClearwaterVol]

LOL you would lose the bet, you can clearly see the father in the back of the truck was slow to react and had to pull his firearm from it's holster as Arbery attacked the son

Tell me about the man with the shotgun beside the truck.

 

[Rickyvol77]

In the weeks leading up to the shooting no police reports about break ins.

Ahmaud Arbery was killed doing what he loved, and a south Georgia community demands justice - CNN

Prior to Arbery's shooting, the man said in a second interview Wednesday, the cameras on three or four occasions captured someone walking on the property at night -- one time stealing $2,500 of fishing tackle from a boat in his garage -- but he could not identify the perpetrator.
He did not file a police report, he said, but called the incident "unnerving and unsettling."

Just because a police report wasnt filed on incidents, doesnt mean that the whole neighborhood wasn't aware of the issues they were having. And there had been a police report of a vehicle burglary and theft of firearm from the truck.

Apparently these security cameras the day of the incident show Arbery sneaking around two properties in the same areas, that this other person "jogging at night" had been as well

 

[Rickyvol77]

Will not be allowed to present self defense. You can't rob someone and then claim self defense if they fight back

better stick to chancery court

 

[Bigun]

Will not be allowed to present self defense. You can't rob someone and then claim self defense if they fight back

A defense attorney will focus on the part where he grabs the gun and starts throwing punches at the guy holding the gun. Again, not saying it is right, just saying if they can get the officers in the Rodney King trial off then they have a shot at these guys.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Tell me about the man with the shotgun beside the truck.

Do you have evidence he ever pointed the gun at Arbery? or are you fantasizing about what you "think probably happened"

 

[Vol8188]

Prior to Arbery's shooting, the man said in a second interview Wednesday, the cameras on three or four occasions captured someone walking on the property at night -- one time stealing $2,500 of fishing tackle from a boat in his garage -- but he could not identify the perpetrator.
He did not file a police report, he said, but called the incident "unnerving and unsettling."

Just because a police report wasnt filed on incidents, doesnt mean that the whole neighborhood wasn't aware of the issues they were having. And there had been a police report of a vehicle burglary and theft of firearm from the truck.

Apparently these security cameras the day of the incident show Arbery sneaking around two properties in the same areas, that this other person "jogging at night" had been as well

And at least in one of the images he has been identified by his own aunt.