The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[volfanjustin]

Can't speak for the media, but if you look through this thread, plenty of non-liberal posters have expressed outrage. So yeah, I think poster outrage would be the same.

Do you think EL would have started a thread about it?

Not EL.

Would anyone have started a thread over it?

 

[RikidyBones]

Would the media and poster outrage be the same if it were two black guys killing a white?

I can only speak for myself but I would have the same take.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Why do I care what anybody in this thread thinks? But hey, you be you.

Well if you make illogical emotional type statements with no basis in reason or fact, someone will probably contest it. I have nothing against you personally but having a firearm doesn’t mean you are looking to kill someone

 

[RikidyBones]

Do you think EL would have started a thread about it?

Would anyone have started a thread over it?

1. No
2. probably not because the video wouldnt have surfaced on a national platform. I would see it on local news here in Jax but ATL wouldnt, Orl wouldnt, Tampa, Knox, Nash wouldn't either.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I agree with RickyVol. unless you have direct evidence that they planned and meant to kill him, it will be an acquittal. Arguing that grabbing the guns isnt enough especially since the shots went off midstruggle and it's on video. The standard is Beyond all reasonable doubt. If agg assault is a felony then maybe Murder 1 is the charge by statute because a felony was also committed. I know that's true with false imprisonment not sure on agg assault

Exactly. Saying it was premeditated and they knew the whole time they were going to kill him is a ridiculous statement given the evidence at hand

 

[volfanjustin]

1. No
2. probably not because the video wouldnt have surfaced on a national platform. I would see it on local news here in Jax but ATL wouldnt, Orl wouldnt, Tampa, Knox, Nash wouldn't either.

No one would care
I have no idea why people are so obsessed with this story (other than the likes of EL and huff Hernandez)

 

[allvol123]

Why is this a major story?

 

[bamawriter]

Exactly. Saying it was premeditated and they knew the whole time they were going to kill him is a ridiculous statement given the evidence at hand

I don't know the law in GA, but it's possible that they could still get a felony murder charge because during the commission of attempted aggravated kidnapping they shot and killed their victim. The prosecution would only need to prove premeditation of the kidnapping.

 

[Behr]

Lulz. Guy gets killed and 2 guys get arrested for murder because they shot him and somebody is all tore up about who started the thread.

 

[Weezer]

Do you think EL would have started a thread about it?

Would anyone have started a thread over it?

Can I say with certainty? No. But I think there's a good chance.

 

[RikidyBones]

I don't know the law in GA, but it's possible that they could still get a felony murder charge because during the commission of attempted aggravated kidnapping they shot and killed their victim. The prosecution would only need to prove premeditation of the kidnapping.

that wasnt listed as a charge though. I would say theres a case for that given they admitted they wanted to question and detain. What matters there is if the citizens arrest is applicable. If they didnt witness the crime, it might not be, thus making the arrest illegal which would enter false imprisonment, which is a felony so Murder 1 becomes the charge.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Little too close to my daughter/her hubby and 3 grandkids on Saint Simons Island

 

[bamawriter]

that wasnt listed as a charge though. I would say theres a case for that given they admitted they wanted to question and detain. What matters there is if the citizens arrest is applicable. If they didnt witness the crime, it might not be, thus making the arrest illegal which would enter false imprisonment, which is a felony so Murder 1 becomes the charge.

They can always add charges before trial.

 

[volfanjustin]

Why is this a major story?

A few guesses:
The 2 guys are white and libs wanted to some how link them to Trump or label them as normal Trump supporters
Or
The were hoping for 240,000 deaths due to CV-19 and that’s failed miserably so things won’t be nearly as bad as they had hoped
Or
The sexual assault claim against O’Biden is getting hotter so they need to change the narrative on even the liberal networks who were starting to question him

 

[volfanjustin]

Can I say with certainty? No. But I think there's a good chance.

If someone did, that person would be laughed at and would be called a racist for bringing it up and the typical huff Hernandez types would say “what about Charlottesville”
It damn sure wouldn’t have 54 pages of commentary

 

[Vol737]

Little too close to my daughter/her hubby and 3 grandkids on Saint Simons Island

And right next door is Little SSI that apparently has the most rattlesnakes per square mile than any other place in the country. Why I would remember that little bit of trivia is frightening. But I’ve ruled out SSI for retirement due to proximity to said rattlers! But I digress.

 

[vollygirl]

I agree with RickyVol. unless you have direct evidence that they planned and meant to kill him, it will be an acquittal. Arguing that grabbing the guns isnt enough especially since the shots went off midstruggle and it's on video. The standard is Beyond all reasonable doubt. If agg assault is a felony then maybe Murder 1 is the charge by statute because a felony was also committed. I know that's true with false imprisonment not sure on agg assault

Ok.

 

[RikidyBones]

They can always add charges before trial.

True but strange it was added here. I guess you need to question and narrow down quite a bit before that charge.

 

[vollygirl]

Well if you make illogical emotional type statements with no basis in reason or fact, someone will probably contest it. I have nothing against you personally but having a firearm doesn’t mean you are looking to kill someone

Oh, I'm for sure emotional about this. There's no question about that.

 

[RikidyBones]

Ok.

lol. good talk

 

[Weezer]

that wasnt listed as a charge though. I would say theres a case for that given they admitted they wanted to question and detain. What matters there is if the citizens arrest is applicable. If they didnt witness the crime, it might not be, thus making the arrest illegal which would enter false imprisonment, which is a felony so Murder 1 becomes the charge.

False imprisonment can either be a misdemeanor or a felony IIRC. I'm wondering if the fact they were armed makes it a felony? And if so, I believe you're right about that bumping it up to a murder charge because it occurred during the commission of a felony.

 

[Weezer]

If someone did, that person would be laughed at and would be called a racist for bringing it up and the typical huff Hernandez types would say “what about Charlottesville”
It damn sure wouldn’t have 54 pages of commentary

Again, read the thread and you'll find most of the posters commenting and condemning are not liberals.

 

[Weezer]

False imprisonment can either be a misdemeanor or a felony IIRC. I'm wondering if the fact they were armed makes it a felony? And if so, I believe you're right about that bumping it up to a murder charge because it occurred during the commission of a felony.

My bad, it's aggravated assault they were charged with. Still a felony and I believe the same rules apply.

 

[vollygirl]

A few guesses:
The 2 guys are white and libs wanted to some how link them to Trump or label them as normal Trump supporters
Or
The were hoping for 240,000 deaths due to CV-19 and that’s failed miserably so things won’t be nearly as bad as they had hoped
Or
The sexual assault claim against O’Biden is getting hotter so they need to change the narrative on even the liberal networks who were starting to question him

Or two guys killed a jogger in February and nobody has done anything about it yet.

Maybe humanity is more important than the ignorant political scene.

 

[RockyTop85]

Murder and agg assault. Seems like an overcharge just like Zimmerman case. I’ll have to read GA law on the agg assault

2014 Georgia Code :: Title 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: Chapter 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON :: Article 1 - HOMICIDE :: § 16-5-1 - Murder; malice murder; felony murder; murder in the second degree

(c) A person commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.


2017 Georgia Code :: Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses :: Chapter 5 - Crimes Against the Person :: Article 2 - Assault and Battery :: § 16-5-21. Aggravated assault

a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:

(2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;


(b) Except as provided in subsections (c) through (k) of this Code section, a person convicted of the offense of aggravated assault shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 20 years.

So Agg assault is an assault with a weapon. Just like in TN. It’s clearly a felony. So what is an assault?.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON :: ARTICLE 2 - ASSAULT AND BATTERY :: § 16-5-20 - Simple assault

(2) Commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.

Seems like a solid legal basis for the charge.