The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[bamawriter]

Someone was notified. The McMichaels may have offered to help the owner by installing the camera, or it notified the owner’s cell phone, and the owner immediately notified the McMichaels.

Let's assume that massive hypothetical is true. Why did the McMichaels forget to mention it to police? If you're going to attempt a citizen's arrest, it is nothing short of mandatory that you tell the cops why.

 

[bamawriter]

You keep ignoring facts of the case that don't suit the outcome you seem to desire. You keep justifying the father/son's behavior while placing responsibility for Arbery's death squarely on the victim, despite the fact he didn't bring the gun to the party.

And he just argued they assaulted him, so it's a really weird argument.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

So are you lumping this incident with other police shootings?

What did actual police officers have to do with this incident? The police didn't shoot the victim; last I read, a County commissioner said the police wanted to arrest, and another LEO entity (GBI) made the arrests. With probably more to come.

Was referencing Ricky's unabashed defense and level of discourse throughout the thread.

 

[Weezer]

That’s for a jury to decide but my reading of the GA state laws say no under the circumstances. Now the Arbery family has a stronger case for the civil damages in court

And yet you're not defending them....Dude, you're totally defending them.

 

[Weezer]

Both can be weird and abnormal, but GA state law define both

Can you point me to the statute that says forming an armed posse with no actual legal authority is allowed or encouraged in GA? In other words, link?

 

[Rickyvol77]

And yet you're not defending them....Dude, you're totally defending them.

There’s a difference between saying someone’s actions were dumb and disagreeing with them and interpreting what the law actually says

 

[bamawriter]

There’s a difference between saying someone’s actions were dumb and disagreeing with them and interpreting what the law actually says

The law says what they did was aggravated assault, at minimum.

 

[evillawyer]

I wouldn’t wear that to go jogging

I said it when the story broke, the family should drop the jogging story. The fact remains he didn't steal anything and the response to him walking into a house under construction -- which plenty of people have done without incident -- is completely unjustified. The jogging story is going to look like an attempt to gin up sympathy when the true facts alone are sufficient for that.

 

[bamawriter]

I said it when the story broke, the family should drop the jogging story. The fact remains he didn't steal anything and the response to him walking into a house under construction -- which plenty of people have done without incident -- is completely unjustified. The jogging story is going to look like an attempt to gin up sympathy when the true facts alone are sufficient for that.

Agreed. And more importantly, the guys who killed him didn't even know he'd been in the house.

 

[37L1]

There’s a difference between saying someone’s actions were dumb and disagreeing with them and interpreting what the law actually says

I would leave that to the lawyers and court to sort out. This incident is so horrific when watched on video and creates such an emotional response that you are not going to convince anyone to not view it through that lens.

 

[Weezer]

There’s a difference between saying someone’s actions were dumb and disagreeing with them and interpreting what the law actually says

And what makes your interpretation right? If I'm not mistaken, @RockyTop85 , an actual lawyer, gave a different interpretation than yours but you were completely dismissive.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I said it when the story broke, the family should drop the jogging story. The fact remains he didn't steal anything and the response to him walking into a house under construction -- which plenty of people have done without incident -- is completely unjustified. The jogging story is going to look like an attempt to gin up sympathy when the true facts alone are sufficient for that.

I also wonder if the altercation we see on the video is the first encounter the wild boys had with Arbery.

 

[n_huffhines]

Of the crime or the family? There is video of the family speaking butvI haven seen one of the crime.

Yeah, my point is it's kinda silly to compare a story with video of a murder to a story without a video and then ask why the one without video isn't as big of news.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I would leave that to the lawyers and court to sort out. This incident is so horrific when watched on video and creates such an emotional response that you are not going to convince anyone to not view it through that lens.

I agree. you can tell the difference between people who have been around criminal investigation and court hearings vs those who are simply emotionally upset about it

 

[bamawriter]

I also wonder if the altercation we see on the video is the first encounter the wild boys had with Arbery.

It wasn't. They had already tried to cut him off and he was able to escape. They circled around and cut him off a second time, and the guy in the car behind was able to pin him in. It's all in the police report.

 

[n_huffhines]

They're gonna need a lot more than that to exonerate these guys. Who here hasn't trespassed on a construction site?

 

[Weezer]

I agree. you can tell the difference between people who have been around criminal investigation and court hearings vs those who are simply emotionally upset about it

lmao You really think you're looking at this without bias? My arguments aren't based off of "feelz". I'm going by what I've seen and read, The lengths these two dumbasses took far overstep citizen's arrest. Not sure how you're not seeing that, other than you just don't want to see it.

 

[bamawriter]

They're gonna need a lot more than that to exonerate these guys. Who here hasn't trespassed on a construction site?

Trumped and Ricky, apparently.

 

[Weezer]

Trumped and Ricky, apparently.

Can't say that I have either, but I have family members who absolutely would, without a second thought. I wouldn't want them hunted down and shot for essentially being nosy.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I would leave that to the lawyers and court to sort out. This incident is so horrific when watched on video and creates such an emotional response that you are not going to convince anyone to not view it through that lens.

This is true. My wife and I had this very discussion. She looked at the video and her mind was made up. They murdered the guy. When I brought up Arbery going after the shotgun and attacking the guy she said it bothered her that I’d even try defending him (the shooter). I don’t know the whole story of what happened that day, but I do know ..... as Ras put it.... rounding up a posse and going after the guy was incredibly reckless, stupid and unnecessary. My opinion is I don’t think they intended to shoot him, but they injected themselves into a situation they shouldn’t have. Once Arbery went after the shooter and they were fighting over the gun..... it gets really complicated.
Had they witnessed Arbery committing a violent crime I might think differently.

 

[Rickyvol77]

And what makes your interpretation right? If I'm not mistaken, @RockyTop85 , an actual lawyer, gave a different interpretation than yours but you were completely dismissive.

Actually he said the same thing I did that it depends on the additional charge. If the jury found them guilty of the agg assault or a false imprisonment type charge everything goes out the window and they could be charged w murder. If jury finds that they are not guilty of that there’s no murder charge either

 

[Rickyvol77]

It wasn't. They had already tried to cut him off and he was able to escape. They circled around and cut him off a second time, and the guy in the car behind was able to pin him in. It's all in the police report.

The guy in the second car was only filming. Not chasing him

 

[Rickyvol77]

They're gonna need a lot more than that to exonerate these guys. Who here hasn't trespassed on a construction site?

You committed burglary before? Not surprised

 

[bamawriter]

The guy in the second car was only filming. Not chasing him

Nope. The GBI confirmed he was involved in the chase.

 

[Carl Pickens]

It wasn't. They had already tried to cut him off and he was able to escape. They circled around and cut him off a second time, and the guy in the car behind was able to pin him in. It's all in the police report.

This makes me wonder why he was still jogging on the street. If I’m 25 and in any kind of shape at all. I’m going to make those a-holes have to catch me on foot