The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Weezer said:
@Rickyvol77

I honestly do not understand why you keep defending these guys or why you want them to get off scot free for killing someone. You say you're not defending them, but this thread is full of your posts doing just that. And it's absolutely coming across like you want them found not guilty. They took the law in their own hands and killed a guy. Even if they had the right of citizen arrest, they did not have the right to do it with guns at the ready. It's insane to me that you think this behavior is okay.
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I guarantee you if the races of the people involved were reversed @Rickyvol77 and the other people defending these 2 men would be calling for the death penalty already.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Please explain how that makes one a weirdo.
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It’s not your house/property. Why do you feel entitled to, uninvited, check out something that isn’t yours? That’s prying/being a busybody and, ultimately, that’s weird behavior.

Something tells me that, in Ahmaud’s case, he wasn’t in there admiring the millwork.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
It’s not your house/property. Why do you feel entitled to, uninvited, check out something that isn’t yours? That’s prying/being a busybody and, ultimately, that’s weird behavior.
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I would bet that the majority of people wouldn't see anything wrong with it.

Something tells me that, in Ahmaud’s case, he wasn’t in there admiring the millwork.
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And what is that "something"? Oh what oh what could it be? Hmmmmm....
 
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There was a comment in one of the early articles that said the shooter related Aubrey to previous break ins. They didn't expand on that statement. I'll try to find it.
 
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bamawriter said:
I would bet that the majority of people wouldn't see anything wrong with it.
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That may be true in regards to the people with whom you associate, but I’m not remotely surprised by this revelation. Birds of a weird feather and all, you know?

bamawriter said:
And what is that "something"? Oh what oh what could it be? Hmmmmm....
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Probably has something to do with him not living in the neighborhood and a man meeting his description recently engaging in identical behavior. Ahmaud didn’t deserve to die, but pretending as if there’s no possibility he was casing the joint is strange.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
There was a comment in one of the early articles that said the shooter related Aubrey to previous break ins. They didn't expand on that statement. I'll try to find it.
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One of them claimed someone that looked like Arbery was seen in the neighborhood some nights before. No allegations that he stole anything or broke in anywhere.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
That may be true in regards to the people with whom you associate, but I’m not remotely surprised by this revelation. Birds of a weird feather and all, you know?



Probably has something to do with him not living in the neighborhood and a man meeting his description recently engaging in identical behavior. Ahmaud didn’t deserve to die, but pretending as if there’s no possibility he was casing the joint is strange.
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And what if he was? What difference would it make?
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
That may be true in regards to the people with whom you associate, but I’m not remotely surprised by this revelation. Birds of a weird feather and all, you know?



Probably has something to do with him not living in the neighborhood and a man meeting his description recently engaging in identical behavior. Ahmaud didn’t deserve to die, but pretending as if there’s no possibility he was casing the joint is strange.
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I didn't say there was no possibility. That would be speaking in definites when we don't have all the facts. Nothing brought forth so far has proven that.
 
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Weezer said:
@Rickyvol77

I honestly do not understand why you keep defending these guys or why you want them to get off scot free for killing someone. You say you're not defending them, but this thread is full of your posts doing just that. And it's absolutely coming across like you want them found not guilty. They took the law in their own hands and killed a guy. Even if they had the right of citizen arrest, they did not have the right to do it with guns at the ready. It's insane to me that you think this behavior is okay.
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I didn’t agree their behavior was ok. I’m 100% discussing the law and facts of the case
 
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I can remember going and looking at under construction homes with my parents in the 70s and 80s. There has been a lot of infill development in my neighborhood the past decade and most of the construction sites have signage and security cameras in use. Probably just depends on where you live.

From what little I have followed this story, it sounds like the son/shooter had a pistol stolen from his vehicle that was parked in front of his home in this same neighborhood some time prior to the day that the shooting happened. The shooting victim was a known to the shooter's dad as a criminal with with gun crimes and theft on his rap sheet. The shooter and the dad saw the victim in their neighborhood, made a conclusion, and decided to do the police's job. From what I have seen in the video, the shooting would have been justified if the shooter had been wearing a badge. Of course, maybe the victim would not have gone for the gun if the shooter had been wearing a badge. Most of the legal analysis I have read in relation to this event is applying the law of self defense to this situation, which I am not sure is even applicable. What I don't know is whether the dad's status as a retired LEO makes any legal difference that would create a situation where this is analyzed as force used in the face of resisting arrest instead of a seemingly flimsy self defense argument.
 
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bamawriter said:
Two different county commissioners have reported that the officers wanted to make arrests on the scene and were shut down by the DA.. So, somehow Ricky had concluded that these particular cops are wrong.
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Actually the truth was like in most complicated situations the officers called the DA to ask their opinion on charges and they said with facts presented they wouldn’t charge. This is common practice
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
He's been very respectful with me, but he won't back off the idea that the gunmen were 100% in the right for tracking down the guy and approaching him with guns drawn.

Ricky, the only thing I ask is that you hold yourself to the same standards that you demand of everyone else regarding consideration of actual facts vs. feelings. Buddy, you've done a very bad job of that.
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BreatheUT said:
Please explain how that makes one a weirdo.
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its not normal to walk into some strangers home miles from your house and then run when someone drives by
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Actually the truth was like in most complicated situations the officers called the DA to ask their opinion on charges and they said with facts presented they wouldn’t charge. This is common practice
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That's not how the commissioners framed the conversation. The cops wanted to arrest.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
Just because a predictable cadre of you weirdos engage in similar activity doesn’t make it any more normal/less suspicious.
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I'll say this: I used to flip houses and I can't begin to tell you how often people would come in out of curiosity. I had three incidents of theft and, unlike your typical B&E burglary, they all happened at night.

I've checked out new construction/gut and restorations myself. It's not as weird as you think.
 
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bamawriter said:
I would bet that the majority of people wouldn't see anything wrong with it.



And what is that "something"? Oh what oh what could it be? Hmmmmm....
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Lol feelz again not law. It’s not normal or legal to go into stranger’s houses at any time

And something? Do you honestly believe it’s coincidence that he went into the house where a theft occurred and a black male is seen on camera stealing 2-3 nights before?
 
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bamawriter said:
Fair enough. Make it clear: do you thinl the McMichaels criminally resonsible for Arbery's death?
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That’s for a jury to decide but my reading of the GA state laws say no under the circumstances. Now the Arbery family has a stronger case for the civil damages in court
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lol feelz again not law. It’s not normal or legal to go into stranger’s houses at any time

And something? Do you honestly believe it’s coincidence that he went into the house where a theft occurred and a black male is seen on camera stealing 2-3 nights before?
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It sure is unfortunate that the theft wasn't reported so that someone might be able to claim knowledge of it.
 
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bamawriter said:
It sure is unfortunate that the theft wasn't reported so that someone might be able to claim knowledge of it.
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Good thing it was caught on camera for evidence, much like the burglary. And at least 4-5 people in the neighborhood watch were aware of it
 
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