The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[Carl Pickens]

Nope. The GBI confirmed he was involved in the chase.

Has he been arrested as well?

 

[Weezer]

Actually he said the same thing I did that it depends on the additional charge. If the jury found them guilty of the agg assault or a false imprisonment type charge everything goes out the window and they could be charged w murder. If jury finds that they are not guilty of that there’s no murder charge either

But still manslaughter as a possibility. Your last several posts seem to even throw that out the window. You've said you wouldn't convict them of anything criminally. Without taking into account of this charge being bumped up because of a commission of a felony, this is at least straight up manslaughter.

 

[Carl Pickens]

You committed burglary before? Not surprised

I’ve gone into countless homes while under construction just to see the layout and etc.. I never took anything, but I suppose I could have been accused.

 

[bamawriter]

This makes me wonder why he was still jogging on the street. If I’m 25 and in any kind of shape at all. I’m going to make those a-holes have to catch me on foot

It's hard to know what was going on in his head. I also know nothing about the neighborhood and couldn't tell you about good escape routes.

 

[Weezer]

The guy in the second car was only filming. Not chasing him

It was following him, and he was acting in tandem with the McMichaels according to his own statement. So for all intents and purposes, it was chasing him. It's reasonable to assume that's what Arbery felt, especially since he can't be asked.

 

[bamawriter]

Has he been arrested as well?

I know they were seeking him. Haven't checked to see if he turned himself in or if they picked him up in the last few days.

 

[Carl Pickens]

This whole situation is why you don’t pull your gun unless your life or someone else’s is in immediate danger. Your only asking for trouble by doing so.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

I know they were seeking him. Haven't checked to see if he turned himself in or if they picked him up in the last few days.

They are not seeking him. They know exactly where he is.

There are elements (conditions) to any alleged criminal offense. These elements must be met to the standard of Probable Cause before an arrest can be made. The investigation is still ongoing.

 

[1972 Grad]

I’ve gone into countless homes while under construction just to see the layout and etc.. I never took anything, but I suppose I could have been accused.

I never saw much that one could take out of a house under construction. Everything looked nailed down.

 

[bamawriter]

They are not seeking him. They know exactly where he is.

There are elements (conditions) to any alleged criminal offense. These elements must be met to the standard of Probable Cause before an arrest can be made. The investigation is still ongoing.

Gotcha. Article says the GBI "were considering charges," so that makes sense.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I know they were seeking him. Haven't checked to see if he turned himself in or if they picked him up in the last few days.

Lol seeking him? He’s been cooperating and hasn’t been charged with anything

Man who recorded the Ahmaud Arbery shooting has been receiving threats, attorney says

 

[Carl Pickens]

I never saw much that one could take out of a house under construction. Everything looked nailed down.

Nailed down or not worth the hassle of trying to carry. Lots of lumber waste is typically the only thing of any use laying around. I think I may have seen a cordless drill or a shop vac that had been left behind a time or two, but that’s it.

 

[Rickyvol77]

It was following him, and he was acting in tandem with the McMichaels according to his own statement. So for all intents and purposes, it was chasing him. It's reasonable to assume that's what Arbery felt, especially since he can't be asked.

so what do you believe he should be charged with for driving and filming?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Nailed down or not worth the hassle of trying to carry. Lots of lumber waste is typically the only thing of any use laying around. I think I may have seen a cordless drill or a shop vac that had been left behind a time or two, but that’s it.

Construction site thefts are extremely common, most of the time they are committed by homeless people, groups of people driving around looking for sites and the workers themselves

 

[bamawriter]

so what do you believe he should be charged with for driving and filming?

If he turns state's evidence, he should be allowed to testify in exchange for no charges. If he doesn't, he should be charged with everything the McMichaels get.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Guess you missed my last couple of posts in the protect and serve thread.

You mean these posts?

Why do black guys feel the need to wear hoodies even when it's hot outside? There is a black guy that walks around my neighborhood that I don't care how hot it is outside he wears a hoodie.
I'm all about comfort myself and I'll be damned if I'll burn my ass off to wear a hoodie when it's hot outside. Maybe he's trying to look like Billy bad ass and didn't have any takers?

because they can hide drugs/weapons/money easier and it's hard to grab or identify them during crimes or fights

Or...

You have been trained well. Constitutionalists are now the enemies of the state.

Sovereign citizens arent constitutionalists for the most part

 

[Rickyvol77]

If he turns state's evidence, he should be allowed to testify in exchange for no charges. If he doesn't, he should be charged with everything the McMichaels get.

So a guy who drives in his car and never gets out and films the incident should be charged with murder in your eyes?

 

[Rickyvol77]

You mean these posts?




Or...

He asked why some people wear hoodies in the daytime even in summer. I answered the question correctly.
and the sovereign citizen movement is made up of mostly nutjobs. The family at the Walmart in Idaho, the dude in Dallas that shot police, the father and son who killed the officer in Arkansas. They truly believe that they don’t have to get drivers licenses to operate on the road and that social security numbers are illegal.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Gotcha. Article says the GBI "planned to bring charges," so that makes sense.

Yeah, we'll see where that goes. He has been interviewed at least once that I know of, and likely more than once by more than one agency. Once GBI came onboard, things moved pretty fast.

As for the conversation regarding a "burglary", OCGA 16-7-1 lays it out (try Justia.com to read it for yourself), but the basic elements of a burglary are that a person "without authority", "with the intent to commit a theft or felony therein", "enters or remains in a ________ ." (several options here).

So, wrt Mr. Arbery, he did enter...and we can assume without authority. Problem is, there's no evidence at all of "intent to commit a theft or felony therein." Two out of three is good in baseball, but it won't net you a burglary arrest in Georgia.

No burglary. Plain and simple. Criminal Trespass? Maybe, but only if (a) he had been previously warned by the property owner or law enforcement not to enter the property, or (b) it was properly posted. On that point, I don't know the facts, but if there's no burglary, there's no legal citizens arrest, and at that point you're trying to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.

And lest we forget, Georgia law allows for resistance to what is believed to be an illegal arrest. Not much noise on here about that little nugget.

Take a deep breath, and let this all play out. Like I said before, it's about to get interesting in these parts...

 

[bamawriter]

So a guy who drives in his car and never gets out and films the incident should be charged with murder in your eyes?

As you've pointed out numerous times, that's the law. If he knowingly participated in an effort to pursue and detain Arbery, then he is as guilty as them. Accessory is accessory.

If he simply thought they were following for the sake of alerting the cops, and he never brandished a weapon, and he had no clue the McMichaels were trying to play soldier, then by all means he should be allowed to get on the stand and say as much.

 

[bamawriter]

He asked why some people wear hoodies in the daytime even in summer. I answered the question correctly.
and the sovereign citizen movement is made up of mostly nutjobs. The family at the Walmart in Idaho, the dude in Dallas that shot police, the father and son who killed the officer in Arkansas. They truly believe that they don’t have to get drivers licenses to operate on the road and that social security numbers are illegal.

On that we agree. Sovcits are a plague.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It was more than two miles

Has it been determined how he got to the neighborhood? Did he drive his car and park it before going in the neighborhood or did he actually go from his home to this neighborhood on foot???

 

[Weezer]

so what do you believe he should be charged with for driving and filming?

Never said he should be charged, but you're ignoring that it absolutely would factor into Arbery's state of mind. He was being hunted.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Never said he should be charged, but you're ignoring that it absolutely would factor into Arbery's state of mind. He was being hunted.

Bama said he should be charged with murder too. I don’t see that either

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No. I’ve only read the past few pages really. Was mostly referring to the national media.

This thread has (surprisingly) been pretty fair (outside of Ricky) in looking at this case.