The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[bamawriter]

That’s for a jury to decide but my reading of the GA state laws say no under the circumstances. Now the Arbery family has a stronger case for the civil damages in court

If they were justified criminally, what's the tort?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Lol I dont work directly in law enforcement anymore but I bet you and your bar buddies really hate police, since most have been arrested before.

Dunno about them but I certainly dislike the police because of **** like this.

 

[bamawriter]

Good thing it was caught on camera for evidence, much like the burglary. And at least 4-5 people in the neighborhood watch were aware of it

Were the McMichaels included in that number?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

That’s prying/being a busybody and, ultimately, that’s weird behavior

Kind of like getting in your truck and playing billy badass neighborhood watch?

 

[Weezer]

This is not true. All we’ve heard for days is how he was just out for jog. The video of him in the home clearly contradicts that.

Now I don’t think it was right to take the law into their own hands, and believe they should be punished. But this narrative that a black guy was just simply run down for being black is not true.

Have you actually read this thread? That's not the narrative of the majority of posters. Most have said Arbery's actions beforehand were suspicious, not that he was just out for a jog. We've also maintained they didn't warrant grabbing guns and pursuing him. What we've also stated is we have no idea of Arbery's motives or what he was thinking, and because he's dead, he can't be asked.

 

[bamawriter]

Kind of like getting in your truck and playing billy badass neighborhood watch?

Checking out an unfinished house: super weird and totally criminal.

Arming up and chasing a pedestrian with two vehicles like something out of Mad Max: normal as can be.

 

[Weezer]

Just because a predictable cadre of you weirdos engage in similar activity doesn’t make it any more normal/less suspicious.

And forming an armed posse, taking the law into your own hands, and hunting a man down in the middle of the road is normal and not suspicious?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Checking out an unfinished house: super weird and totally criminal.

Arming up and chasing a pedestrian with two vehicles like something out of Mad Max: normal as can be.

Both can be weird and abnormal, but GA state law define both

 

[37L1]

Dunno about them but I certainly dislike the police because of **** like this.

So are you lumping this incident with other police shootings?

What did actual police officers have to do with this incident? The police didn't shoot the victim; last I read, a County commissioner said the police wanted to arrest, and another LEO entity (GBI) made the arrests. With probably more to come.

 

[bamawriter]

Both can be weird and abnormal, but GA state law define both

Yes they do. You've mentioned the former. How does GA state law define the latter?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Yes they do. You've mentioned the former. How does GA state law define the latter?

It’s been posted in this thread

 

[bamawriter]

It’s been posted in this thread

The threads 74 pages long. Help me out.

 

[Rickyvol77]

The threads 74 pages long. Help me out.

Or use google. It’s not hard I promise lol

 

[vollygirl]

That may be true in regards to the people with whom you associate, but I’m not remotely surprised by this revelation. Birds of a weird feather and all, you know?



Probably has something to do with him not living in the neighborhood and a man meeting his description recently engaging in identical behavior. Ahmaud didn’t deserve to die, but pretending as if there’s no possibility he was casing the joint is strange.

I thought he was shot two miles from his house? Around here two miles wouldn't be considered not your neighborhood.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I thought he was shot two miles from his house? Around here two miles wouldn't be considered not your neighborhood.

It was more than two miles

 

[bamawriter]

Or use google. It’s not hard I promise lol

So aggravated assault. Gotcha.

 

[StillStanding]

The McMichaels didn't know he'd been in that house before they began the pursuit.

If it was a Nest camera, they were notified on their cell phone the moment he entered. It’s unusual to have a video camera on a home building site. It shows they were concerned about previous theft or damage.

 

[bamawriter]

If it was a Nest camera, they were notified on their cell phone the moment he entered. It’s unusual to have a video camera on a home building site. It shows they were concerned about previous theft or damage.

So the McMichaels have a Nest cam on someone else's property?

 

[Weezer]

That may be true in regards to the people with whom you associate, but I’m not remotely surprised by this revelation. Birds of a weird feather and all, you know?



Probably has something to do with him not living in the neighborhood and a man meeting his description recently engaging in identical behavior. Ahmaud didn’t deserve to die, but pretending as if there’s no possibility he was casing the joint is strange.

That's kind of the whole point, he didn't deserve to die. These guys didn't see Arbery steal anything, they weren't pursuing him to recover stolen property. They were trying to do the job of the police by stopping and questioning a subject. Hell, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that federal charges of violating this man's civil rights could be pursued. The whole citizen arrest BS being argued, by their own words they've never stated that as their intent. nor did they identify that intent to Arbery. According to the father, they said "Stop! Stop, we want to talk to you!" Never once did they state their intent.

 

[37L1]

That's kind of the whole point, he didn't deserve to die. These guys didn't see Arbery steal anything, they weren't pursuing him to recover stolen property. They were trying to do the job of the police by stopping and questioning a subject. Hell, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that federal charges of violating this man's civil rights could be pursued. The whole citizen arrest BS being argued, by their own words they've never stated that as their intent. nor did they identify that intent to Arbery. According to the father, they said "Stop! Stop, we want to talk to you!" Never once did they state their intent.

It's more than a possibility. Members of Arbery's family are represented by two high-profile civil rights attorneys.

 

[BP4Prez]

Have you actually read this thread? That's not the narrative of the majority of posters. Most have said Arbery's actions beforehand were suspicious, not that he was just out for a jog. We've also maintained they didn't warrant grabbing guns and pursuing him. What we've also stated is we have no idea of Arbery's motives or what he was thinking, and because he's dead, he can't be asked.

No. I’ve only read the past few pages really. Was mostly referring to the national media.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I've seen the video and to me it is not very clear. Some social media sites are saying he was wearing Timberlands, but that was shown to be false. I'm just wondering what he had on. I'm not victim blaming, but if he is wearing regular street clothes, that would poke a hole in the story about him being out jogging.

That still doesn't mean you round up a posse and shoot him down in the street, either.

You and I appear to be in agreement. I’d like to know how far away his home is and whether or not he drove to the neighborhood where it happened.

 

[Weezer]

I’m not defending them. I’m discussing the facts of the case. His intent is implied by law

They were not police officers aloud to make that assumption. They called the police. It should have stopped there. At most, I'd have been okay with them just following him, as long as they were maintaining contact with 911, giving them details. They took it much, much farther, establishing their own roadblock while armed.

 

[StillStanding]

So the McMichaels have a Nest cam on someone else's property?

Someone was notified. The McMichaels may have offered to help the owner by installing the camera, or it notified the owner’s cell phone, and the owner immediately notified the McMichaels.

 

[Weezer]

I didn’t agree their behavior was ok. I’m 100% discussing the law and facts of the case

You keep ignoring facts of the case that don't suit the outcome you seem to desire. You keep justifying the father/son's behavior while placing responsibility for Arbery's death squarely on the victim, despite the fact he didn't bring the gun to the party.