The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[Rasputin_Vol]

Unlikely they would have singled out a white kid as a likely criminal.

The unfortunate outcome of this situation is that it has devolved into a racial angle instead of a corrupt (former) cop/criminal justice system problem. I the atmosphere down there is conducive for cops to act without restraint and for the Good Ole Boys in the court system to cover it up.

 

[Septic]

That still puzzles me.

If he had pulled a gun in defense of himself from a guy that was brandishing a gun and he got killed as a result. Would we question his use attempt at self defense?

 

[Septic]

The unfortunate outcome of this situation is that it has devolved into a racial angle instead of a corrupt (former) cop/criminal justice system problem. I the atmosphere down there is conducive for cops to act without restraint and for the Good Ole Boys in the court system to cover it up.

It didn't develop into a racial 'angle', it was one as soon as those two hillbilly's hopped into the pickup with shotguns.

 

[1972 Grad]

It didn't develop into a racial 'angle', it was one as soon as those two hillbilly's hopped into the pickup with shotguns.

I knew you would have the latest.

 

[Septic]

I knew you would have the latest.

Just cleaning up the place, lot of bad takes in this thread. Looked like it needed the truth hammer, I'll oblige.

 

[1972 Grad]

Just cleaning up the place, lot of bad takes in this thread. Looked like it needed the truth hammer, I'll oblige.

It almost seems that you made it racial by referring to the two men as hillbillies (not hillbilly's). The word "hillbilly's" tends to suggest that one hillbilly possesses something that you failed to mention.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Anything is possible and I could buy one DA doing a solid for an old friend, but this is three DAs who didn't pull the trigger despite the video. None of them will come out at this point and undermine a prosecution but there has to be more to this. DA is a coveted gig, real money, great benefits, and often a path to a judgeship. Any politician with a brain would've seen the racial angle on this coming. I just can't imagine three of these people doing an ole' for one old cop.

The 3rd DA (Durden), did in fact "pull the trigger". Did you read his letter? He intended to take it before a Grand Jury just as soon as the courts returned to business. He intended to prosecute.

But once the video of the shooting reached the public eye...

Cobb County is no random choice. The closer it is to Atlanta, the more Atlanta can control it.

Prediction? Voluntary Manslaughter (x2); two new DA's; and Dennis Perry gets a new trial (did I not mention that one before? Google his name, and Innocence Project).

Skeletons. But remember, I thought we had Gruden locked up.

 

[1972 Grad]

The 3rd DA (Durden), did in fact "pull the trigger". Did you read his letter? He intended to take it before a Grand Jury just as soon as the courts returned to business. He intended to prosecute.

But once the video of the shooting reached the public eye...

Prediction? Voluntary Manslaughter (x2); two new DA's; and Dennis Perry gets a new trial (did I not mention that one? Google his name, and Innocence Project).

But remember, I thought we had Gruden locked up.

How much time does one get for Voluntary Manslaughter? Also, why does the non-shooter get the same?

 

[GreyWolf1129]

How much time does one get for Voluntary Manslaughter? Also, why does the non-shooter get the same?

Party to a Crime. The OCGA number escapes me at the moment.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Police have a different view of criminals than civilians do. They have to deal with the worst of people on a daily basis, so I'm inclined to give them somewhat of a break. I mean just watch Cops or PD or some of those programs, and see what they have to deal with. It would be very easy to become jaded, and I can't blame them.

No doubt..... I used to sign a waiver and ride with a friend of mine in Nashville’s downtown area.... what an eye opener that was.... drugged out lunatics.... tranny prostitutes.... drunks pissing on the sidewalk .... domestic issues from hell. It was definitely entertaining

 

[Carl Pickens]

You would if you thought it was your only option. Not saying it was right or a smart move, but in a life threatening situation, all bets are off.

True, but if the video is actually their second encounter my young fleet footed behind would have been off the road.... through the bushes... over the fence.... behind the trees and what not. No way I let a couple of overweight honkies catch me

 

[Carl Pickens]

I think I would too, but again, we don’t know what the interaction was before the video started. My guess is threats were made and the jogger must have clearly thought there was no way out.

Still can’t believe they a) thought it was a good idea to use guns to corner a guy who wasn’t threatening them; and b) kept the video and thought it would help them.

The guy thought the video would help them has to be “special”

 

[Carl Pickens]

I figure there is more to it than what we have been told so far. I doubt that the D.A. had much of a case, or he/she would have brought it.

I believe the video is what tipped the scales

 

[Vol8188]

He was not confronted. He was not seen multiple times. The homeowner wants nothing to do with this and did not film the incident. He was also 25.

No one has confirmed anything. It may have been him the one day and he just looked around and took off. many people do that.

There also has not been any burglaries in the neighborhood.
"While Gregory McMichael claimed Arbery looked like a suspect in a string of recent burglaries, Glynn County Police Lt. Cheri Bashlor told CNN this week just one automobile burglary in the neighborhood was reported when a 9 mm pistol was stolen January 1 from an unlocked truck outside the McMichaels' home. "

So he could not have been a suspect because there had not been recent past crimes.

Who cares if they used a yearbook photo? it is literally irrelevant to his stalking and murder. I have seen recent pics that did not look like a yearbook. Idk where you see them using oly one yearbook photo at. I have seen several. They all look the same. He hadn't changed his look. Is this one better ? Doesn't look like a high school pic to me. i have seen this one more than anything.

There’s film from inside the home of him there multiple times. I shared it today. You’re saying it wasn’t the home owner filming? Odd, but okay. Someone filmed him there multiple times. 25? Okay, still older enough to have a more recent photo.

I’ve also posted the article from the daily beast with his aunt confirming it was him. If you see the video, it’s obvious it’s him.

The home owner had fishing equipment stolen which wasn’t reported. It’s pretty common not to report such things unless you have them insured.

Once again he had been seen in the home multiple times and I’ve shared the video.

The main picture I’ve seen is a senior pic in his a tux. I bring it up to call out the media bias mainly.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

If he had pulled a gun in defense of himself from a guy that was brandishing a gun and he got killed as a result. Would we question his use attempt at self defense?

I was a fast person at 25, with no gun facing 2 with guns, I'd be finding a wooded area somewhere and peace out. I wouldn't challenge someone with a shotgun and back up. Aubrey turned deliberately and went at him, could have been he felt like he had no choice.
Do you not believe Aubrey had another choice?

 

[Septic]

I was a fast person at 25, with no gun facing 2 with guns, I'd be finding a wooded area somewhere and peace out. I wouldn't challenge someone with a shotgun and back up. Aubrey turned deliberately and went at him, could have been he felt like he had no choice.
Do you not believe Aubrey had another choice?

I think it ridiculous to blame the victim for making a split second fight or flight desicion in that critical moment. Reflection, clarity of thought and measured analysis is a luxury we have that he didn't. Anyone pontificating on what he 'shoulda done' isnt contributing to the conversation in any meaningful way imo.

I'm just curious if the same people who are blaming or criticizing his actions would still be doing so if he'd been the good guy with a gun that tried to defend himself....and lost.

 

[Vol8188]

I think it ridiculous to blame the victim for making a split second fight or flight desicion in that critical moment. Reflection, clarity of thought and measured analysis is a luxury we have that he didn't. Anyone pontificating on what he 'shoulda done' isnt contributing to the conversation in any meaningful way imo.

I'm just curious if the same people who are blaming or criticizing his actions would still be doing so if he'd been the good guy with a gun that tried to defend himself....and lost.

It’s a very important aspect of the case. Deny it all you want, but it will matter to the 12 jurors. And it should matter. If we saw McMichael shoot the man without being attacked, we’d all be in favor of a longer sentence.

 

[Vol8188]

I was a fast person at 25, with no gun facing 2 with guns, I'd be finding a wooded area somewhere and peace out. I wouldn't challenge someone with a shotgun and back up. Aubrey turned deliberately and went at him, could have been he felt like he had no choice.
Do you not believe Aubrey had another choice?

Did you notice that in the first video you saw? The first one I saw was in Facebook and I think someone edited that part out because I couldn’t tell who started the physical part of the altercation

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

The 3rd DA (Durden), did in fact "pull the trigger". Did you read his letter? He intended to take it before a Grand Jury just as soon as the courts returned to business. He intended to prosecute.

But once the video of the shooting reached the public eye...

Cobb County is no random choice. The closer it is to Atlanta, the more Atlanta can control it.

Prediction? Voluntary Manslaughter (x2); two new DA's; and Dennis Perry gets a new trial (did I not mention that one before? Google his name, and Innocence Project).

Skeletons. But remember, I thought we had Gruden locked up.

1. I think you can hold 90 days without an indictment. I interpret no arrest because it was going to be another month before the grand jury meets as a 'flier' in light of the video and because he could've easily ordered an arrest.

2. I assume the defendants would have to waive venue. Bringing in outsiders to sell this to a local jury seems like a crap shoot but I guess they have no choice.

3. I could see voluntary manslaughter if it's a lesser included and the jury gets knotted up. The politics of this make me think there will not be a deal. It's going to be an all or nothing prosecution. I will try to read up on Dennis Perry. I think the I.P. and similar groups have righted some wrongs but like a lot of nonprofits I think they've gotten to a point where they're stretching to justify more donations. I'm pretty much at a point where I take a guilty verdict or plea at face value unless there is clear scientific evidence that makes it impossible for the convict to have committed the crime.

4. Soon.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It’s just this simple for me. They chased down and shot an unarmed man in the streets. They caused the confrontation and are responsible for the results.

 

[Vol8188]

It’s just this simple for me. They chased down and shot an unarmed man in the streets. They caused the confrontation and are responsible for the results.

I think most of the details we’ve all been arguing are important in terms of sentence length. Less so important in terms of “did they break the law”

 

[Behr]

It’s just this simple for me. They chased down and shot an unarmed man in the streets. They caused the confrontation and are responsible for the results.

I'm sure you've read enough of the thread to know, you're wrong. He burglarized the house and then attacked the guy with the shot gun and you wouldn't be defending Arbery if he had been white. And of course, you already knew I was an idiot long before this thread.

 

[Septic]

It’s just this simple for me. They chased down and shot an unarmed man in the streets. They caused the confrontation and are responsible for the results.

Right? I don't get what's so hard about this for some to wrap their heads around here. Apparently, fighting back against these two men who chased him down with weapons makes him somehow responsible for aggravated assault. I wonder if their advice to their loved ones would be to roll over and play dead.

My guess their tune would change if they had to walk run a mile in a black man shoes in rural Georgia with shotgun toting hicks chasing him down in a pickup truck. This guy is probably familiar with how history has played out that scenario in the past.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Morning update:

- Prelim autopsy report released. Arbery hit by all three shots. Grazed right wrist, then two shots to the chest. Media incorrectly said Glynn County coroner conducted autopsy; it was GBI Crime Lab (Forensic Pathologist). Initial tox report says no alcohol or drugs in Arbery's system.
- Since the video of the shooting establishes that the first shot was fired before Arbery made contact with Travis McMichael, this creates another hurdle for the defense to clear regarding "self-defense". For those who will say Arbery was "charging at" McMichael, let me just say that the citizen's arrest is out the window due to no felony, and "stand your ground" is going to be a tough sell here when you chased Arbery down before you "stood your ground". Arbery had the same, if not more right, to stand his ground than McMichael did.
- The two videos of Arbery in the vacant house were both taken literally minutes before the shooting. According to the property owner, nothing had been taken from the property while it was under construction (for whoever said something about fishing poles). He did say that his cameras had captured someone on the property in the months leading up to this incident, but there's no confirmation that it was Arbery, and in any event, no theft = no burglary, and I'm still waiting on someone...anyone...to convince me that anyone in that neighborhood knew or even had reasonable suspicion that Arbery was a burglary suspect. If you can connect those dots, GBI would love to hear from you.
- Cobb DA, but Glynn County Grand Jury and initial venue. At this point, I'm on the fence as to whether or not either side would ask for a change of venue. Pros and cons to both sides. Be interesting to see who blinks first.
- Feds are onboard, and that investigation could go in a couple of different directions. Probably will. You won't hear anything from that side of it until they are ready to hold a press conference.

Synopsis: Nothing in the last 24-48 hours that those on the inside didn't already know, and despite the media hype, nothing that alters what is, in fact, a very simple set of facts that lead to an unavoidable conclusion.

It's going to be a long summer down here.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Right? I don't get what's so hard about this for some to wrap their heads around here. Apparently, fighting back against these two men who chased him down with weapons makes him somehow responsible for aggravated assault. I wonder if their advice to their loved ones would be to roll over and play dead.

My guess their tune would change if they had to walk run a mile in a black man shoes in rural Georgia with shotgun toting hicks chasing him down in a pickup truck. This guy is probably familiar with how history has played out that scenario in the past.

Were shotgun toting hicks chasing him when he took a gun to a school basketball game with his gang buddies? Maybe he needed protection there too?