The NCAA is a shameful organization.

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TXA&M07 said:
Ohhhh so you're getting it now. You want to complain about the agency in which you empower to govern you.

This sounds familiar.

Look, it's not perfect. I was screaming they really had no business in this and I was wrong. They do. My options were severe but more focused around "helping" others rather than torching those left that are innocent. They worked that in a bit too I think and for that I'm glad.

But the NCAA had to act and were within their rights to do so. They've been given the power. Willingly mind you. There's really nothing more to say.
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The NCAA just flexed it's beachbody muscles today, just to appease public opinion. Nothing they did could change, detour, or prevent anything like this from happening again. To me, it's the most epic fail I've ever seen from them, but that's the NCAA's catch phrase honestly.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Too bad. If they were going to hand out sanctions, how can they possibly justify giving Penn State a lesser punishment for covering up the rape of multiple children than they gave SMU for paying recruits? It just makes them look like a bunch of p******. Once they chose to act, their hands should have been tied into having to lay out the most devastating sanctions in the NCAA's history. Their choices should have either been to stay out of the matter, or destroy PSU for good. Instead, they chose the middle ground and look like a laughingstock.
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No one is laughing at State College.

The DP was the worst thing ever created in college athletics and it took nearly a decade for those who imposed it to realize it was a mistake. Does not mean they still don't have it to use. Kinda like our Nuke bombs.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Also allow me to remind you of the Espn agreement with t.u.

Don't like the way things are stacked against you? Leave.

Howdy SEC.
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And by that I assume what you actually meant to say "Don't like big brother constantly beating the **** out of you, run home pouting and then refuse to ever fight him again."
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Again, no one can point to any student-athlete being hurt or molested, so who is the NCAA helping to protect here?? It sure isn't PSU football players.
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The NCAA is making an example of Penn State by punishing them for these ridiculous crimes and hopefully showing other universities that this will not be tolerated. Just remember that Penn State put the NCAA in this position, the NCAA is not the bad guy here.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
And by that I assume what you actually meant to say "Don't like big brother constantly beating the **** out of you, run home pouting and then refuse to ever fight him again."
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Yeah man. That's precisely how it all went down. You've got your finger on the pulse of all things Big 12. Shoulda checked with you on the uniform updates and ticket prices I guess.

How'd I ever make it with it your insight?


Good night fellas. I'll leave you to it.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
No one is laughing at State College.

The DP was the worst thing ever created in college athletics and it took nearly a decade for those who imposed it to realize it was a mistake. Does not mean they still don't have it to use. Kinda like our Nuke bombs.
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Then don't act at all. They knew what the precedent was. Either dole out a punishment that fits the crime, or if you're afraid of the ramifications of actually doing the right thing, then don't act at all. Instead they just look weak and afraid, and today they said in no uncertain terms "While children being raped is bad, it's not quite as bad as recruits getting paid."
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Why on God's green earth would he lie about that?

They were sat down, told they were getting the hammer and offered option B. They agreed to option B with a smile on their face.

Again, they (PSU), signed off on it. All of these students *****ing and moaning in shock need to get a clue. Their school agreed to it.

It's as close to the death penalty as you can get with the exception of a few things.

The NCAA doesn't really want to use it again, but I firmly believe they were about to pull the trigger had PSU not agreed to all that "option B" insisted on.

And lastly, yes I'll agree. PSU just became Marshall on a bigger stage.

"We were".
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why? if you really don't know the answer then your knowledge of human nature is limited.
 
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bleedorange1983 said:
The NCAA is making an example of Penn State by punishing them for these ridiculous crimes and hopefully showing other universities that this will not be tolerated. Just remember that Penn State put the NCAA in this position, the NCAA is not the bad guy here.
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So, the courts punishing those involved, isn't good enough, right?? The old NCAA needs to get involved to show the court system how its done. To me, the NCAA is just as bad in action, based solely on the fact that they did this to help make their public perception better, and given the way they have done it, it makes them look like fools in my eyes.
 
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ajvol01 said:
I don't ever recall an instance where "absolute power" required a permission slip.

You do realize that 20 college presidents unanimously signed off on the NCAA's punishment for PSU, right?
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absolute power? they don't have absolute power or they'd never have lost a lawsuit brought against them
 
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bleedorange1983 said:
The NCAA is making an example of Penn State by punishing them for these ridiculous crimes and hopefully showing other universities that this will not be tolerated. Just remember that Penn State put the NCAA in this position, the NCAA is not the bad guy here.
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Right...because pedophilia has been such a huge problem in college athletics.

Before this people would have been willing to commit crimes and subject themselves to civil lawsuits but now that they know while sitting in jail penniless that their football team will be on probation, they'll probably act more morally and ethically. Good grief. That this sort of logic makes sense to some of you is rather scary.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The NCAA just flexed it's beachbody muscles today, just to appease public opinion. Nothing they did could change, detour, or prevent anything like this from happening again. To me, it's the most epic fail I've ever seen from them, but that's the NCAA's catch phrase honestly.
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And yet we still have murders, even in states where death by the electric chair or gas chamber is the punishment for doing so.

Sandusky's life sentence won't prevent all children from being sexually assaulted....and on a much less important scale, Southern Cal's NCAA sanctions won't stop other schools from committing rules violations...hell, just look at Auburn's recruiting class.

Bottom line is bad choices usually come with equally bad consequences.
 
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PowerSweep said:
Right...because pedophilia has been such a huge problem in college athletics.

Before this people would have been willing to commit crimes and subject themselves to civil lawsuits but now that they know while sitting in jail penniless that their football team will be on probation, they'll probably act more morally and ethically. Good grief. That this sort of logic makes sense to some of you is rather scary.
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Exactly. If the fear of his football team facing NCAA sanctions is what stops a coach from raping a child, then there really isn't any hope for that individual anyway.
 
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lawrence wright said:
and yet we still have murders, even in states where death by the electric chair or gas chamber is the punishment for doing so.

Sandusky's life sentence won't prevent all children from being sexually assaulted....and on a much less important scale, southern cal's ncaa sanctions won't stop other schools from committing rules violations...hell, just look at auburn's recruiting class.

Bottom line is, when the ncaa is involved, bad choices by the guilty usually come with equally bad consequences for the innocent.
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fyp
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And yet we still have murders, even in states where death by the electric chair or gas chamber is the punishment for doing so.

Sandusky's life sentence won't prevent all children from being sexually assaulted....and on a much less important scale, Southern Cal's NCAA sanctions won't stop other schools from committing rules violations...hell, just look at Auburn's recruiting class.

Bottom line is bad choices usually come with equally bad consequences.
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In this case, the innocent is getting punished just as bad as the guilty.
 
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I found this comical....

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What on Earth are they correcting?? Also, when did this become a lawsuit from the NCAA to PSU?? Associating punitive with this is most definitely dumb. So, basically, the NCAA just took what they had no right to take, because they are not a court system, and awarded it to people who didn't ask for it, just to make themselves look like they care. That's just unreal to me.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I found this comical....

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What on Earth are they correcting?? Also, when did this become a lawsuit from the NCAA to PSU?? Associating punitive with this is most definitely dumb. So, basically, the NCAA just took what they had no right to take, because they are not a court system, and awarded it to people who didn't ask for it, just to make themselves look like they care. That's just unreal to me.
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Much like the honey badger, the NCAA just takes what it wants.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
In this case, the innocent is getting punished just as bad as the guilty.
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Disagree.

Sandusky will die in prison, and rightfully so. Penn State will still have a football team, albeit a very bad one for many years.

I'm glad the NCAA didn't give them the death penalty, because that punishes the community, not to mention the businesses that rely on football games in the fall.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Disagree.

Sandusky will die in prison, and rightfully so. Penn State will still have a football team, albeit a very bad one for many years.

I'm glad the NCAA didn't give them the death penalty, because that punishes the community, not to mention the businesses that rely on football games in the fall.
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And you don't think these sanctions will effectively do this?? The NCAA not only punished the institution, but everyone else that involved with it as well.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The fans/alumni/community still have a football team to support, so my answer is no.
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Oh, you mean that thing at PSU that used to resemble a football program?? That program isn't going to be the same for years, and the revenue isn't going to be there to help keep things a float. These sanctions stretch out way past just PSU's campus, and will effect the communities around it for a lot longer than most think.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Oh, you mean that thing at PSU that used to resemble a football program?? That program isn't going to be the same for years, and the revenue isn't going to be there to help keep things a float. These sanctions stretch out way past just PSU's campus, and will effect the communities around it for a lot longer than most think.
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Yep, the same university whose president and athletic director conspired to cover up unspeakable crimes for over a decade so PSU could pack the house as Joe Paterno pursued the all-time wins record.
 
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