The NCAA is a shameful organization.

[g8terh8ter_eric]

It's not the right thing, the right thing is punishing people who are complicit in child rape.

The NCAA is not taking actions against wrong-doers here. What the NCAA is doing is giving itself authority it shouldn't be anywhere within lightyears of having so it can grandstand and try to take the place of the federal government, local authorities, the Clery act to satisfy PR and nothing else.

This whole exercise was a pointless, aimless, mean-spirited, bull**** exercise by Emmert and his feeble-minded idiot cohorts that has zero to do with any semblance of the meaning of justice.

The lives of Spanier, Schultz. et. al will be the same when they wake up tomorrow as it was when they woke up yesterday.

The lives of Penn State football players, students, alumni, local business owners and the community will be demonstrably worse when they wake up tomorrow than when they woke up yesterday.

Can you explain to me how justice has been served?

The only thing anyone can take away from this ruling, the NCAA is now a moral entity, that can now rule on any crime within an AD they see fit. No justice will be served by the NCAA, in terms of those actually involved, so they just have to punish who they can, which again is no one actually involved.

 

[milohimself]

The players can still get a free education, can still become nfl draft picks, I really don't see any real punishment for current players. The real hurt is financially to the university and even that is not going to break them, it has been said their pockets are deep.

The players who have been working all offseason and are for the most part too close to the season to be able to transfer in time to play elsewhere just had their season rendered over.

Also, the $60million is not the only revenue the university is being penalized for, not to mention what they are already losing in ticket sales and ad revenue.

 

[ajvol01]

Executive leadership at Penn State coordinated a 14 year cover-up that protected the image of the PSU football program and also a child rapist.

Sandusky had access to the campus facilities.

The culture of cover-up was pervasive.

People on that campus and in that administration suspected/knew what Sandusky was doing, but no one did/said anything because JoePa didn't want it to go outside those walls.

Paterno was running the show.

Paterno deserves all the credit and all the blame. For 31 years (1966-1997) he built PSU into a national football power - winning 2 NCs ('82, '86).

The conscious and ongoing decision to protect a suspected/known pedophile from 1998-2011 and cast a blind eye to potential victims is probably the closest real-life example of "selling your soul to the devil" that I've ever seen.

Shockingly the most common sentiment I have heard from from PSU fans, alumni, students and even the Paterno family seems to be that JoePa could never have known and that the Freeh report is wrong.

PSU deserved every bit of this punishment.

 

[bleedorange0037]

The only thing anyone can take away from this ruling, the NCAA is now a moral entity, that can now rule on any crime within an AD they see fit. No justice will be served by the NCAA, in terms of those actually involved, so they just have to punish who they can, which again is no one actually involved.

In this respect, today's ruling is far from unprecedented. Punishing the innocent people left in the wake of wrongdoers is pretty much par for the course when it comes to the NCAA handing out sanctions.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Executive leadership at Penn State coordinated a 14 year cover-up that protected the image of the PSU football program and also a child rapist.

Sandusky had access to the campus facilities.

The culture of cover-up was pervasive.

People on that campus and in that administration suspected/knew what Sandusky was doing, but no one did/said anything because JoePa didn't want it to go outside those walls.

Paterno was running the show.

Paterno deserves all the credit and all the blame. For 31 years (1966-1997) he built PSU into a national football power - winning 2 NCs ('82, '86).

The conscious and ongoing decision to protect a suspected/known pedophile from 1998-2011 and cast a blind eye to potential victims is probably the closest real-life example of "selling your soul to the devil" that I've ever seen.

Shockingly the most common sentiment I have heard from from PSU fans, alumni, students and even the Paterno family seems to be that JoePa could never have known and that the Freeh report is wrong.

PSU deserved every bit of this punishment.

You mean they didn't win jack worth a damn since '86, and people are saying that this all created some type of advantage for the football program?? Go figure.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

In this respect, today's ruling is far from unprecedented. Punishing the innocent people left in the wake of wrongdoers is pretty much par for the course when it comes to the NCAA handing out sanctions.

People want blood, yet don't care where it comes from, pretty much.

 

[milohimself]

The only thing anyone can take away from this ruling, the NCAA is now a moral entity, that can now rule on any crime within an AD they see fit. No justice will be served by the NCAA, in terms of those actually involved, so they just have to punish who they can, which again is no one actually involved.

Yep. Giving Emmert and co. power over public and higher education institutions equivalent to what Goodell has over the NFL is an absolutely terrible idea.

 

[milohimself]

Executive leadership at Penn State coordinated a 14 year cover-up that protected the image of the PSU football program and also a child rapist.

Sandusky had access to the campus facilities.

The culture of cover-up was pervasive.

People on that campus and in that administration suspected/knew what Sandusky was doing, but no one did/said anything because JoePa didn't want it to go outside those walls.

Paterno was running the show.

Paterno deserves all the credit and all the blame. For 31 years (1966-1997) he built PSU into a national football power - winning 2 NCs ('82, '86).

The conscious and ongoing decision to protect a suspected/known pedophile from 1998-2011 and cast a blind eye to potential victims is probably the closest real-life example of "selling your soul to the devil" that I've ever seen.

Shockingly the most common sentiment I have heard from from PSU fans, alumni, students and even the Paterno family seems to be that JoePa could never have known and that the Freeh report is wrong.

PSU deserved every bit of this punishment.

Are you familiar with the clery act?

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Yep. Giving Emmert and co. power over public and higher education institutions equivalent to what Goodell has over the NFL is an absolutely terrible idea.

The NCAA still must be pissy about the government getting involved in their cash cow operation.

 

[ajvol01]

You mean they didn't win jack worth a damn since '86, and people are saying that this all created some type of advantage for the football program?? Go figure.

Nope. Never said anything like that.

I did say that people in the AD and Execs at the school covered this up at the direction of JoePa.

I did say that the PSU community still doesn't believe JoePa did anything wrong.

Also JoePa became winningest coach in FBS history about 1 week before all of this came out - that fact alone could be seen as an advantage to a school.

Paterno covered it up to save his job / rep / image.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Now that PSU is behind them and their guns are fully loaded, go get Montana NCAA!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/s...s-new-scrutiny-to-montana.html?pagewanted=all

 

[bleedorange0037]

Yep. Giving Emmert and co. power over public and higher education institutions equivalent to what Goodell has over the NFL is an absolutely terrible idea.

That truly is a frightening prospect. It would be tough to find an example of anyone in such a high profile position being more drunk off their own power than Goodell is. Add to that the fact that he is COMPLETELY out of touch with the sport over which he presides, and it's a bad combination. People accept it for what it is now, but I imagine the day is coming where the players association will get fed up with his BS. Honestly, I can't believe they granted him so much power the last time the CBA was up for negotiation. Hopefully the next time it comes up, they will push back a little and try to reign his power in a little bit.

 

[ajvol01]

Are you familiar with the clery act?

Nope. not an atty.

you?

 

[vols4evah]

The NCAA is doing the right thing

Other programs must understand that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.

They did solely to protect the Football program. Now the Football program and Penn State will pay for ignorance on their part

I will not shed a tear for them or any program, including UT, that enable a child molestor.

Some things are more important than a game

I agree 100%
all of this was because of the football program, They put the welfare of football ahead of children and it cant be tolerated.

The NCAA is 100% right to punish them for it.

 

[milohimself]

Nope. Never said anything like that.

I did say that people in the AD and Execs at the school covered this up at the direction of JoePa.

I did say that the PSU community still doesn't believe JoePa did anything wrong.

Also JoePa became winningest coach in FBS history about 1 week before all of this came out - that fact alone could be seen as an advantage to a school.

Paterno covered it up to save his job / rep / image.

The only thing the NCAA busted them on was an insanely stretched interpretation of a nebulous bylaw, and that said as much in the notice letter to the university.

Also, you're negatively defining competitive advantage, if not reporting Sandusky is a quantifiable advantage to Penn State, then the NCAA has decades of incorrect policy that needs correcting.

Now that PSU is behind them and their guns are fully loaded, go get Montana NCAA!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/s...s-new-scrutiny-to-montana.html?pagewanted=all

And Baylor, and UNC, and Miami, and LSU, and...

 

[bleedorange1983]

You mean they didn't win jack worth a damn since '86, and people are saying that this all created some type of advantage for the football program?? Go figure.

Covering up a child sex scandal serves as an advantage for the mere fact that exposing it would hurt the reputation of the program, hence the cover-up.

PSU hired morally-bankrupt administrators and they deserve every bit of punishment that has been handed down. PSU represents the NCAA and I believe the NCAA should have the right to punish them as they see fit.

 

[bleedorange0037]

I agree 100%
all of this was because of the football program, They put the welfare of football ahead of children and it cant be tolerated.

The NCAA is 100% right to punish them for it.

So how do you justify them giving PSU a lesser penalty than what SMU received in the 80's? Do you think that paying recruits is worse than raping children? It seems that the NCAA feels that way.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

So PSU had a choice, take what was communicated or take several years of the death penalty per University officials.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

I'm glad I'm not a PA taxpayer, you'll be paying these bills for a while.

 

[bleedorange0037]

So PSU had a choice, take what was communicated or take several years of the death penalty per University officials.

So the NCAA essentially blackmailed PSU into accepting these penalties? How pathetic. The NCAA knew that PSU really had no legal recourse, to try to fight this in court, even though PSU would almost certainly win, would be even more terrible PR at a time that Penn St. honestly can't afford any more.

 

[vols4evah]

So how do you justify them giving PSU a lesser penalty than what SMU received in the 80's? Do you think that paying recruits is worse than raping children? It seems that the NCAA feels that way.

well this penalty is far worse then SMU got. I dont recall SMU being fined $60 million please correct me if I am wrong.

Plus the rules for giving the death penalty prevented them from doing that to Penn state.

All in all I would say that PSU football wont be competitive again for at least 10 years.

 

[milohimself]

Nope. not an atty.

you?

I'm no attorney either but it's worth looking up on wikipedia if you ever get the chance.

Basically, the federal government is already in a place to accomplish more or less what the ncaa needlessly just gave itself the authority to do.

The ncaa now has a massive amount of new authority over public institutions for which it is accountable to nobody so they could do something the government was going to do anyway

 

[milohimself]

well this penalty is far worse then SMU got. I dont recall SMU being fined $60 million please correct me if I am wrong.

Plus the rules for giving the death penalty prevented them from doing that to Penn state.

All in all I would say that PSU football wont be competitive again for at least 10 years.

10 years is about as hopeful as it gets.

Besides, the ncaa just tossed it's own rule book out the window so there was nothing in the way of them handing out the death penalty

 

[ajvol01]

The only thing the NCAA busted them on was an insanely stretched interpretation of a nebulous bylaw, and that said as much in the notice letter to the university.

Also, you're negatively defining competitive advantage, if not reporting Sandusky is a quantifiable advantage to Penn State, then the NCAA has decades of incorrect policy that needs correcting.


And Baylor, and UNC, and Miami, and LSU, and...

I never said competetive advantage. Was not referring to NCAA policy, just replying to Eric's question.

As bleedorange1983 just posted the advantage PSU gained was not having the negative publicity of the scandal going public in '98 or '01, '02, '03, etc... until Nov '11

Could have easily been worth $60 million in revenue and interest to PSU over that 13 year span.

Also JoePa likely would not have been able to dictate to PSU Board of Trustees and decline to retire like he did after 2004 season - his salary from 2005-2011 worth millions to him and his family; not to mention his retirement package worth another $5.5 million.

 

[bleedorange0037]

well this penalty is far worse then SMU got. I dont recall SMU being fined $60 million please correct me if I am wrong.

Plus the rules for giving the death penalty prevented them from doing that to Penn state.

All in all I would say that PSU football wont be competitive again for at least 10 years.

No it's not even close. Money is of little consequence in this whole deal. It's going to be $12.5M for 5 years, PSU will easily just pay that and move on. It's been 2 1/2 decades since the NCAA laid SMU to waste, and they still aren't even a shadow of what they once were. Penn State will struggle for a few years, but in time should be to where they were prior to today, which was an average to slightly above average Big 10 team.

The NCAA rules don't provide for them to have ANY jurisdiction to act on this case, yet they did it anyway. If they're going to act just to appease a vocal mob, why not just swing for the fences and at least make an effort to hand out a punishment that fits the crime.