the new definition of middle class

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Ed12111 said:
"That pay is a function of locale" what the heck? No it's not they pay educators 2.5 times national average because they value their educators.
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Have you been? do have any idea?

Has it helped them? Wonder how they can afford to pay them so much, relative to per capita income? Hmmm. Crazy that non-revenue producers could command so much. Or could it be about where all the teachers live vs those represented in that per capita income?
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BigPapaVol said:
Have you been? do have any idea?

Has it helped them? Wonder how they can afford to pay them so much, relative to per capita income? Hmmm. Crazy that non-revenue producers could command so much. Or could it be about where all the teachers live vs those represented in that per capita income?
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Where to start? Yes, it's helped them they have one of the best education system's in the world. They can afford it the same way we could afford it. Do the numbers yourself we spend way more money than they do it's about priorities. "Hmmm. Crazy that non-revenue producers could command so much" Not sure what you're even trying to say, but the fact that teachers don't produce revenue is irrelevant. If you think how much revenue you produce is equivalent to you're worth you're all sorts of messed up. Michael Vick is more valuable than Mother Theresa, all scientists, teachers, and military personnel. You're point is shortsighted anyway. Teachers educate the rest of the citizenry who produce revenue. Lastly, teachers live all over the country everyone goes to school.
 
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My kid won't be going to a public school. When it is time for him to start it will be a secular private institution of some sort.
 
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droski said:
teaching affords a lot of liberties 99.9% of other jobs do not. it definetely attracts a certain type of person.
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With all due respect, thank a teacher for helping you get where you are today. I know you have strong opinions, but this elitist attitude is over the top. I wouldn't deal with what teachers deal with for twice their pay. Go visit a classroom in today's society and see if you don't come away from the experience with a different attitude.
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#55
Seriously, the entire scale should be sliding upward. The 15% bracket should probably be done away with and the 10% bracket should go up to between $33,950 or even $50,000.

20% for up to $200,000. and keep everything else where it is I suppose. I'm not sure these tax brackets have been keeping up with the pace of inflation.

That would be a REAL middle class tax cut. Sadly, the GOP or the Dems won't go for that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Seriously, the entire scale should be sliding upward. The 15% bracket should probably be done away with and the 10% bracket should go up to between $33,950 or even $50,000.

20% for up to $200,000. and keep everything else where it is I suppose. I'm not sure these tax brackets have been keeping up with the pace of inflation.

That would be a REAL middle class tax cut. Sadly, the GOP or the Dems won't go for that.
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Not a bad idea. But you are right both parties couldn't care less about the middle class. They are only concerned with keeping their respective 'masters' happy. Have a good one. Maybe we can taste victory again against Memphis State tonight...
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Ed12111 said:
Not sure what you're trying to say, but all the nations with the best education are nations you would consider "socialist". South Korea for instance, pays their teachers the equivalent of $144,000 a year. The Scandinavian countries are also some of the best. The countries with the most "privatized" education not so much.
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Are you trying to divert from the fact that private schools vastly outperform public schools in the US?

S Korea is NOT a socialist country. Scandinavian countries are racially, culturally, religiously, politically, and historically homogenous. MOST of the ruling class even in the European socialist demoncracies are educated in private schools. MOST of the liberal elites in America send their kids to private schools. Public school teachers in America will often choose private schools for their own children.

If you are truly that impressed with socialist countries where the populace has been stripped of their rights and subjected to gov't propaganda then go there and stop trying to screw this one up for the rest of us who want to be free.

What is it about the cosmic busybodies on the left that makes them think everyone else needs liberal elitists in gov't to run their lives for them?
 
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JayVols said:
With all due respect, thank a teacher for helping you get where you are today. I know you have strong opinions, but this elitist attitude is over the top. I wouldn't deal with what teachers deal with for twice their pay. Go visit a classroom in today's society and see if you don't come away from the experience with a different attitude.
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my wife is a teacher. i'm well aware of how difficult of a profession it is.

sjt18 said:
Are you trying to divert from the fact that private schools vastly outperform public schools in the US?
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and public schools pay their teachers far better than private schools. even if you don't include the pension.
 
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JayVols said:
With all due respect, thank a teacher for helping you get where you are today. I know you have strong opinions, but this elitist attitude is over the top. I wouldn't deal with what teachers deal with for twice their pay. Go visit a classroom in today's society and see if you don't come away from the experience with a different attitude.
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This is why education should be private.

The left effectively and probably rightly established that the state did not have the right to indoctrinate children or discipline them in certain ways according to a religion based ideal. However that left a social indoctrination void that secular humanists gladly pushed their "atheistic" religion and progressive political ideals into. After about 40 years of dominance... it has failed miserably. We have catestrophically high incidences of crime, illegitimacy, drug use, gang activity, social grade promotion, etc in our schools.

Ed would have us believe that we simply haven't empowered liberal elites enough. Truth is, we gave them too much power.

So, we either come up with a "mold" that we want to impress on all kids regardless of our cultural, social, ideological, religious, or political differences a la the Scandinavian countries Ed mentioned... or else we give the authority back to the people who should rightly have it, the parents, to determine how their children are education and indoctrinated.
 
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#60
As long as someone has the power to "control inflation", we are subject to an invisible tax increase... without representation.
 
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droski said:
and public schools pay their teachers far better than private schools. even if you don't include the pension.
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Unless it has changed recently, DC public schools spend more per student than any others. Money is not the problem though Ed suggested it was in his SK comments.

I am actually not opposed to exceptional educators making more money... but that should be determined by where parents choose to send their children and not by unions, politicians, or bureacrats.
 
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In LA my wife's private school pays less per student than the LA unified and i assure you her results are far better. It's the administration costs that truly screws the public school student.
 
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I have a question, I make $30,000 a year where do I fall in? Lower middle class? Poor as old joes turkey?
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Coach Grizz said:
I have a question, I make $30,000 a year where do I fall in? Lower middle class? Poor as old joes turkey?
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If you are single, you are middle class. If you have a family of 4 then you might be considered "working poor".
 
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droski said:
In LA my wife's private school pays less per student than the LA unified and i assure you her results are far better. It's the administration costs that truly screws the public school student.
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It's insane the number of administration positions in a state such as Tennessee, I can only begin to imagine California.
 
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droski said:
In LA my wife's private school pays less per student than the LA unified and i assure you her results are far better. It's the administration costs that truly screws the public school student.
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That and the focus on everything BUT educating the child in useful life tools.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
It's insane the number of administration positions in a state such as Tennessee, I can only begin to imagine California.
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at least 3 to 1 public compared to private. i have a friend who is a teacher in the long beach school district and the superintendant makes $250K a year. drives a porche.
 
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droski said:
at least 3 to 1 public compared to private. i have a friend who is a teacher in the long beach school district and the superintendant makes $250K a year. drives a porche.
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My dad was in public education administration in the wrong area........geez.

How big is that school district?
 
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tigervol9802 said:
It's insane the number of administration positions in a state such as Tennessee, I can only begin to imagine California.
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I know a guy who was a VoTech teacher near Chicago. His wife was also a teacher. Both retired after 30 years with full salary and free benefits at the expense of the schools. IIRC at the time there were about 2 retired teachers drawing in that school district for every 3 working teachers. Those economic calculations don't work... that is also how industrial unions worked themselves out of a job in America by making their companies uncompetitive.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
My dad was in public education administration in the wrong area........geez.

How big is that school district?
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i believe the area she covers is 4 or 5 schools. you'd think someone would tell her to buy a honda or something.
 
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sjt18 said:
I know a guy who was a VoTech teacher near Chicago. His wife was also a teacher. Both retired after 30 years with full salary and free benefits at the expense of the schools. IIRC at the time there were about 2 retired teachers drawing in that school district for every 3 working teachers. Those economic calculations don't work... that is also how industrial unions worked themselves out of a job in America by making their companies uncompetitive.
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i have a client who between her and her deceased husband take home $150k a year in retirement benefits from the two schools they worked for. one only worked there for 20 years.
 
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droski said:
i have a client who between her and her deceased husband take home $150k a year in retirement benefits from the two schools they worked for. one only worked there for 20 years.
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And we wonder why CA is in such a mess......

Spouses there are allowed to collect benefits of a deceased spouse as well?
 
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