The Numbers Thread

#226
#226
gnm53108 said:
I think it was some radio interview last week....in fl?

He said we'll sign a full class in 15.
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Thank you for actually trying to answer my question. Instead of just suggesting he sign 25 baller type 5 star tight ends just because trust ol baawww co'ch
 
#227
#227
madbamahater said:
Orange Carpet weekend brought in 4 new verbals. With tight numbers for '15 can the Vols only sign 20? All these skill players are wonderful additions and obviously you have to have play makers on the field. But, in order to win consistently and compete in this league and be in games late in the 3rd and 4th quarters you have to have serious talent and depth on the interior line. Both defensively and offensively. I would love if they signed another QB at least for depth and competition and the rest DTs and interior OL'men. Who do they ask for look elsewhere and if they do when? Any room for Tim Settle and McKenzie? McKenzie is a MUST!!!!!

Also, Nigel Warrior is a legacy kid. Have to get Dale Carter's son just on principle alone.
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Last things first....Nigel Warrior is 2016 class.

We will sign 24-25 players this year per Doug Matthews (again) yesterday. Relax. McKenzie is the cornerstone of this class, he makes 18. We'll get 6-7 more quality recruits in the end and we'll all be one little happy Vol Nation come next February.
 
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madbamahater said:
Orange Carpet weekend brought in 4 new verbals. With tight numbers for '15 can the Vols only sign 20? All these skill players are wonderful additions and obviously you have to have play makers on the field. But, in order to win consistently and compete in this league and be in games late in the 3rd and 4th quarters you have to have serious talent and depth on the interior line. Both defensively and offensively. I would love if they signed another QB at least for depth and competition and the rest DTs and interior OL'men. Who do they ask for look elsewhere and if they do when? Any room for Tim Settle and McKenzie? McKenzie is a MUST!!!!!

Also, Nigel Warrior is a legacy kid. Have to get Dale Carter's son just on principle alone.
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He is in the class of 2016....I would bet there are at least 5 current commitments that will not end up signing with Tennessee. As has been discussed in at least two other threads, June is way too soon to be worried about any numbers crunch. By my memory there were 8 players committed to Tennessee in the last cycle who signed with someone else for various reasons. They included Kevin Mouhon, Dominique Booth, Brandon Powell, Eric Lauderdale, Orlando Brown, Devonte Lambert, Lawrence Lee and Jerome Dews.
 
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#230
#230
Rivals and 247 have us at 17 verbals, not 18. Also, many on here, including myself, don't think that Woods will be apart of this class, so I think we're actually at 16. That leaves us with 9 more spots if we can get to 25.
OT - Richmond
WR - Jefferson
DT - Mckenzie and Jones
DE - Phillips
LB - Sapp
DE/LB Hybrid - Deberry
CB - Ordway and Martin
 
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#231
Living by a recruiting service rating is a recipe for disaster. Coaching staff's eyes at games, camps and on film is far better. Unless you don't have a good coaching staff (Dools). Based on the offer lists and what I see is the upside of every recruit per highlights and games, the 2015 commits are top ten when the dust settles even with the recruiting services.

Eye roll at weenie worries. You would have thought last year's class would have resolved this issue even with the worst posters. The only questions relate to which real studs stick and which wannabe studs go.
 
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#233
KBVol said:
Last things first....Nigel Warrior is 2016 class.

We will sign 24-25 players this year per Doug Matthews (again) yesterday. Relax. McKenzie is the cornerstone of this class, he makes 18. We'll get 6-7 more quality recruits in the end and we'll all be one little happy Vol Nation come next February.
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So everybody is gonna woo and only stand when we are on defense and big plays?

:)
 
#234
#234
madbamahater said:
Waaaaaiiiitttt!!!!!! No one is questioning his ability. What are the simple math numbers then? Do you or don't you fundamentally agree about the all important depth and big time talent at particularly DT?
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Yes, McKenzie would be #18 when he commits. Woods spot is at least questionable. I think everyone else is pretty firm as of today. Technically speaking when CBJ took Oliver's commitment, he is over by 1 as of today as there are currently only 16 available spots slated for the 2015 class. From here on out, either a kid has to leave UT, or scholarships have to be pulled. He takes 3 more and no one chooses to leave by NSD? He is then over by 4. He chooses to take/sign 6 more and he is over by 7.

It's a big roll of the dice IF they try something like that. Saban has been slammed in the media for years for the tactic. Your technically over signing and assuming "this many" spots will open up. The problem is, what if they don't? As a coach you're then either forced to send kids packing, or start yanking scholarships. I think someone had stated before that the penalty for "over signing" is 3 scholarships for every 1 you over sign and don't have a spot for by a certain date. Hopefully it does not come to that.

I'll admit it's a tactic I wish was not allowed. IMO you should recruit/sign for the spots you have. Not so much for the spots you "might" have.

I'm sure this is going to sound real bad, but it is a reality when you start getting into doing things like this.

Imagine your a borderline SEC recruit. Your headed into your RSSO or RSJR year as a Vol. Your a team player, you give 100% everyday in practice, go to class, make the grades, and your a model citizen. Then your asked to host a recruit on his visit to UT. As with everything, you give it your all and sell that kid on "family", "tradition", and "what it is to be a Volunteer". The kid commits and signs with UT. A few months later you realize you're one of the casualties for "over signing". How does it feel that you just delivered your replacement? Don't worry, you'll like ETSU. :ph34r:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yes, McKenzie would be #18 when he commits. Woods spot is at least questionable. I think everyone else is pretty firm as of today. Technically speaking when CBJ took Oliver's commitment, he is over by 1 as of today as there are currently only 16 available spots slated for the 2015 class. From here on out, either a kid has to leave UT, or scholarships have to be pulled. He takes 3 more and no one chooses to leave by NSD? He is then over by 4. He chooses to take/sign 6 more and he is over by 7.

It's a big roll of the dice IF they try something like that. Saban has been slammed in the media for years for the tactic. Your technically over signing and assuming "this many" spots will open up. The problem is, what if they don't? As a coach you're then either forced to send kids packing, or start yanking scholarships. I think someone had stated before that the penalty for "over signing" is 3 scholarships for every 1 you over sign and don't have a spot for by a certain date. Hopefully it does not come to that.

I'll admit it's a tactic I wish was not allowed. IMO you should recruit/sign for the spots you have. Not so much for the spots you "might" have.

I'm sure this is going to sound real bad, but it is a reality when you start getting into doing things like this.

Imagine your a borderline SEC recruit. Your headed into your RSSO or RSJR year as a Vol. Your a team player, you give 100% everyday in practice, go to class, make the grades, and your a model citizen. Then your asked to host a recruit on his visit to UT. As with everything, you give it your all and sell that kid on "family", "tradition", and "what it is to be a Volunteer". The kid commits and signs with UT. A few months later you realize you're one of the casualties for "over signing". How does it feel that you just delivered your replacement? Don't worry, you'll like ETSU. :ph34r:
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Cool your stilettos drama queen...You are jumping the gun just a bit here.
 
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#238
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govols24 said:
Rivals and 247 have us at 17 verbals, not 18. Also, many on here, including myself, don't think that Woods will be apart of this class, so I think we're actually at 16. That leaves us with 9 more spots if we can get to 25.
OT - Richmond
WR - Jefferson
DT - Mckenzie and Jones
DE - Phillips
LB - Sapp
DE/LB Hybrid - Deberry
CB - Ordway and Martin
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Of course, you left out Gibson. :)
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yes, McKenzie would be #18 when he commits. Woods spot is at least questionable. I think everyone else is pretty firm as of today. Technically speaking when CBJ took Oliver's commitment, he is over by 1 as of today as there are currently only 16 available spots slated for the 2015 class. From here on out, either a kid has to leave UT, or scholarships have to be pulled. He takes 3 more and no one chooses to leave by NSD? He is then over by 4. He chooses to take/sign 6 more and he is over by 7.

It's a big roll of the dice IF they try something like that. Saban has been slammed in the media for years for the tactic. Your technically over signing and assuming "this many" spots will open up. The problem is, what if they don't? As a coach you're then either forced to send kids packing, or start yanking scholarships. I think someone had stated before that the penalty for "over signing" is 3 scholarships for every 1 you over sign and don't have a spot for by a certain date. Hopefully it does not come to that.

I'll admit it's a tactic I wish was not allowed. IMO you should recruit/sign for the spots you have. Not so much for the spots you "might" have.

I'm sure this is going to sound real bad, but it is a reality when you start getting into doing things like this.

Imagine your a borderline SEC recruit. Your headed into your RSSO or RSJR year as a Vol. Your a team player, you give 100% everyday in practice, go to class, make the grades, and your a model citizen. Then your asked to host a recruit on his visit to UT. As with everything, you give it your all and sell that kid on "family", "tradition", and "what it is to be a Volunteer". The kid commits and signs with UT. A few months later you realize you're one of the casualties for "over signing". How does it feel that you just delivered your replacement? Don't worry, you'll like ETSU. :ph34r:
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I think you misunderstand the over signing penalty.

Don't think we can be penalized for signing 25 no matter what happens.
 
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#241
LebanonVolunteer said:
Yes, McKenzie would be #18 when he commits. Woods spot is at least questionable. I think everyone else is pretty firm as of today. Technically speaking when CBJ took Oliver's commitment, he is over by 1 as of today as there are currently only 16 available spots slated for the 2015 class. From here on out, either a kid has to leave UT, or scholarships have to be pulled. He takes 3 more and no one chooses to leave by NSD? He is then over by 4. He chooses to take/sign 6 more and he is over by 7.

It's a big roll of the dice IF they try something like that. Saban has been slammed in the media for years for the tactic. Your technically over signing and assuming "this many" spots will open up. The problem is, what if they don't? As a coach you're then either forced to send kids packing, or start yanking scholarships. I think someone had stated before that the penalty for "over signing" is 3 scholarships for every 1 you over sign and don't have a spot for by a certain date. Hopefully it does not come to that.

I'll admit it's a tactic I wish was not allowed. IMO you should recruit/sign for the spots you have. Not so much for the spots you "might" have.

I'm sure this is going to sound real bad, but it is a reality when you start getting into doing things like this.

Imagine your a borderline SEC recruit. Your headed into your RSSO or RSJR year as a Vol. Your a team player, you give 100% everyday in practice, go to class, make the grades, and your a model citizen. Then your asked to host a recruit on his visit to UT. As with everything, you give it your all and sell that kid on "family", "tradition", and "what it is to be a Volunteer". The kid commits and signs with UT. A few months later you realize you're one of the casualties for "over signing". How does it feel that you just delivered your replacement? Don't worry, you'll like ETSU. :ph34r:
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Thats just where we are, IF CBJ doesnt play this process it could take up to 4 years to flip the roster. Now saban does it even after they are on top of the world.
 
#242
#242
BigZiti09 said:
I think you misunderstand the over signing penalty.

Don't think we can be penalized for signing 25 no matter what happens.
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I'm pretty sure you can, IF you don't have a spot for them by a certain date.

Of course it's unlikely that would actually happen. The coaches would just force someone out vs take the penalty I'm sure.
 
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#244
We wont keep all the scrubs that are currently committed. Sorry, just simply will not happen. Save the BS about offer lists and how recruiting rankings dont matter. All of these players will not recieve a letter of intent on signing day.
 
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#245
BOP said:
We wont keep all the scrubs that are currently committed. Sorry, just simply will not happen. Save the BS about offer lists and how recruiting rankings dont matter. All of these players will not recieve a letter of intent on signing day.
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So why take their commitment at all? Seems kind of silly to me.

The fact you used the term "scrubs" to describe kids who want to be Vols says a lot about you my man.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
So why take their commitment at all? Seems kind of silly to me.

The fact you used the term "scrubs" to describe kids who want to be Vols says a lot about you my man.
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I think it would be even sillier to sign them. Wont happen. We will see, you will be wrong and you will say you are happy when vastly superior players take their place.
 
#248
#248
Every year, people start to panic when the numbers of commits creep up. Every year, people moan about what the consider borderline "takes" and wonder aloud about what might have been. Even last year, when we had 30+ spots, people were wringing their hands.

Every year, the numbers have worked themselves out in the end.

This year will be no different.
 
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#249
#249
Competition WILL eliminate players that cannot survive. If the rookie TEs play well this season, I think we'll see some of the other TEs move on. Same can be said for several positions.
 
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BOP said:
We wont keep all the scrubs that are currently committed. Sorry, just simply will not happen. Save the BS about offer lists and how recruiting rankings dont matter. All of these players will not recieve a letter of intent on signing day.
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Calling 17 year old kids scrubs. :no: Come on man.
 
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