The Numbers Thread

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UTChicagoV said:
The return of Leb. I suspected as much.
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Ding ding ding ding......aaannndddd we have a winner folks!

Put him on ignore like most of the rest of us have. One of the reasons (aside from #'s) he is in this thread is because no one is responding to him anywhere else.
 
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With Callaway in the fold, we now have 17 known commitments for the 2016 class.

As has been covered, we have 4 blueshirts from the previous class counting against our 2016 class, meaning our cap without blueshirting anyone from this class would be 21.

In order to qualify as a blueshirt, a recruit must not have an in-home visit and must not have an Official Visit to that school.

Of our 17 current commits, the only guys who haven't had an in-home and haven't had an Official as of yet are Devante Brooks and Austin Pope (both are currently scheduled for the 29th). If our staff feels like they've got a great chance to close with some of our higher ranked targets that are iffy right now (Kongbo, Dickerson, Tyler Byrd, etc.), then we may see these two cancel their visits. If that were to happen, then we could reach a maximum of 23 commits in this class.

So we can safely add 4 more recruits to this class, with the possibility of 6 if Brooks and Pope do not OV on the 29th. If both end up visiting and we end up with 23, they probably footed the bill on their own as an Unofficial Visit, which still keeps them Blueshirt eligible.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
With Callaway in the fold, we now have 17 known commitments for the 2016 class.

As has been covered, we have 4 blueshirts from the previous class counting against our 2016 class, meaning our cap without blueshirting anyone from this class would be 21.

In order to qualify as a blueshirt, a recruit must not have an in-home visit and must not have an Official Visit to that school.

Of our 17 current commits, the only guys who haven't had an in-home and haven't had an Official as of yet are Devante Brooks and Austin Pope (both are currently scheduled for the 29th). If our staff feels like they've got a great chance to close with some of our higher ranked targets that are iffy right now (Kongbo, Dickerson, Tyler Byrd, etc.), then we may see these two cancel their visits. If that were to happen, then we could reach a maximum of 23 commits in this class.

So we can safely add 4 more recruits to this class, with the possibility of 6 if Brooks and Pope do not OV on the 29th. If both end up visiting and we end up with 23, they probably footed the bill on their own as an Unofficial Visit, which still keeps them Blueshirt eligible.
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Thanks for doing these.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
With Callaway in the fold, we now have 17 known commitments for the 2016 class.

As has been covered, we have 4 blueshirts from the previous class counting against our 2016 class, meaning our cap without blueshirting anyone from this class would be 21.

In order to qualify as a blueshirt, a recruit must not have an in-home visit and must not have an Official Visit to that school.

Of our 17 current commits, the only guys who haven't had an in-home and haven't had an Official as of yet are Devante Brooks and Austin Pope (both are currently scheduled for the 29th). If our staff feels like they've got a great chance to close with some of our higher ranked targets that are iffy right now (Kongbo, Dickerson, Tyler Byrd, etc.), then we may see these two cancel their visits. If that were to happen, then we could reach a maximum of 23 commits in this class.

So we can safely add 4 more recruits to this class, with the possibility of 6 if Brooks and Pope do not OV on the 29th. If both end up visiting and we end up with 23, they probably footed the bill on their own as an Unofficial Visit, which still keeps them Blueshirt eligible.
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they will hold one spot for Stewart. he will count when he arrives on campus. so 20 is the likely number..

I've learned tonight from more than one source that coaches have visited all of our committed recruits so none are eligible for a blue shirt.

Just passing along info to clarify your posts..
 
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I've not seen it mentioned, but does Sheriron Jones's departure now open up a spot for us to back count one of our EE's?
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Do you have an idea how the last few spots unfold?
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no. not at all. too many out there being talked to and too many we are in on. Recruiting is too fickle to predict.

check this out on past recruiting. We finished second for all these kids.

1995 Black Monday (this is when I learned not to predict recruits)

"The Vols chances for a top five finish were devastated by "Black Monday" when six to eight defensive line recruits committed to other schools just 48 hours before signing day.

Rahim Abdullah, Jacksonville stuck with Clemson.
Lamont Bryant, Georgetown, SC choose Notre Dame
Anthony Mitchell, Bradenton, pick Florida
Teto Simpson, Greeneville, NC, picked UNC
Brian Johnson, DC, picked ECU
Larry Smith, Valley Forge Military, choose FSU
Ernie Badeaux, Marrero, went to Florida

Billy Ratliff was the only player on the late list to sign. It was a tough day, Fulmer said of "Black Monday"

from 2006 black Monday (the Monday prior to NSD)

Black Monday – 2006.

Aleric Mullins to N Carolina
Adam Patterson to Michigan
Brandon Warren to FSU
Dakoda Watson to FSU
Greg Davis to W Virginia
Jeremiha Hunter to Iowa


and then to top that class off Kelvin Shepherd and Perry Riley told Chavis at 8:00 AM on signing day they were getting ready to fax in papers only to send papers to LSU 2 hours later.
 
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LWSVOL said:
no. not at all. too many out there being talked to and too many we are in on. Recruiting is too fickle to predict.

check this out on past recruiting. We finished second for all these kids.

1995 Black Monday (this is when I learned not to predict recruits)

"The Vols chances for a top five finish were devastated by "Black Monday" when six to eight defensive line recruits committed to other schools just 48 hours before signing day.

Rahim Abdullah, Jacksonville stuck with Clemson.
Lamont Bryant, Georgetown, SC choose Notre Dame
Anthony Mitchell, Bradenton, pick Florida
Teto Simpson, Greeneville, NC, picked UNC
Brian Johnson, DC, picked ECU
Larry Smith, Valley Forge Military, choose FSU
Ernie Badeaux, Marrero, went to Florida

Billy Ratliff was the only player on the late list to sign. It was a tough day, Fulmer said of "Black Monday"

from 2006 black Monday (the Monday prior to NSD)

Black Monday – 2006.

Aleric Mullins to N Carolina
Adam Patterson to Michigan
Brandon Warren to FSU
Dakoda Watson to FSU
Greg Davis to W Virginia
Jeremiha Hunter to Iowa


and then to top that class off Kelvin Shepherd and Perry Riley told Chavis at 8:00 AM on signing day they were getting ready to fax in papers only to send papers to LSU 2 hours later.
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They have a great shot to finish strong. Lots of talent still in play.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they will hold one spot for Stewart. he will count when he arrives on campus. so 20 is the likely number..
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Maybe I missed it, but I'd read somewhere that there had been concern Stewart might give up football. Has he confirmed his intentions to play at UT? If not, is there a time frame?

Don't mean to sound like a callous jerk because my father died just 5 months ago so I do understand the pain, but life goes on.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Maybe I missed it, but I'd read somewhere that there had been concern Stewart might give up football. Has he confirmed his intentions to play at UT? If not, is there a time frame?

Don't mean to sound like a callous jerk because my father died just 5 months ago so I do understand the pain, but life goes on.
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Maybe the young man has stepped in as the man of the house. Going off to school and leaving them could be a very hard decision. If UT is holding a spot, they probably think he will decide on school at some point.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they will hold one spot for Stewart. he will count when he arrives on campus. so 20 is the likely number..

I've learned tonight from more than one source that coaches have visited all of our committed recruits so none are eligible for a blue shirt.

Just passing along info to clarify your posts..
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Appreciate it LWS. Didn't ever see a visit in regards to Pope, but I certainly trust you on it. Glad to hear Stewart will still be enrolling.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they will hold one spot for Stewart. he will count when he arrives on campus. so 20 is the likely number..

I've learned tonight from more than one source that coaches have visited all of our committed recruits so none are eligible for a blue shirt.

Just passing along info to clarify your posts..
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I think this is good, we need as many spots as possible for 2017 class which will be monumental.

Land 3 more studs and this class will be a success.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
So if they are taking 20 + 1 for Stewart coming in I'd have to go with Warrior, Brown, and Byrd.
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Lets look at the class and where we think the 3/4 spots could be served best.

QB - Jarrett Guarantano
RB - Carlin Fils-Aime
WR - Marquez Calloway
WR - Jeff George (JUCO)
WR - Brandon Johnson
WR - Corey Henderson
TE - DeVante Brooks
TE - Austin Pope
OL - Ryan Johnson
OL - Nathan Niehaus
OL - Marcus Tatum

To me it looks like the offense is good to go. If things don't go well on the D side we could add Landon Dickerson or Velus Jones. I say if we have 4 spots left (Zach desides he's not going to enroll) we take Landon if we can get him.

DE/LB - Daniel Bituli
DT - Alexis Johnson (JUCO)
LB - Ja'Quain Bailey
DB - Marquill Osborne
DB - Baylen Buchanan
DB - Desmond Henderson (JUCO)

To me this is where we need to focus on closing. Nigel Warrior is an automatic take at S. Then we need to probably take 2 of Kongbo-DE, Brown-DT, Woods-DE/DT or Bailey-DE.

Kongbo and Woods/Bailey seems most like and would be a nice close on the DL.

I think Tyler Byrd would be a replacement commit. I say that as I think Buchanan would decide to go elsewhere on his own if we take Byrd's commitment so you can think of him as a player we can get without opening up a spot.

For my projection I am going to assume that somehow the staff finds a way to take 21.

QB - Jarrett Guarantano
RB - Carlin Fils-Aime
WR - Marquez Calloway
WR - Jeff George (JUCO)
WR - Brandon Johnson
WR - Corey Henderson
TE - DeVante Brooks
TE - Austin Pope
OL - Ryan Johnson
OL - Nathan Niehaus
OL - Marcus Tatum
OL - Landon Dickerson
DE/LB - Daniel Bituli
DE - Jonathan Kongbo (JUCO)
DE - Joshua Bailey or Jordan Woods DE/DT
DT - Alexis Johnson (JUCO)
LB - Ja'Quain Bailey
CB - Marquill Osborne
CB - Tyler Byrd
CB - Desmond Henderson (JUCO)
S - Nigel Warrior

On Rivals this would give us

1 - 5*
12 - 4*
8 - 3*
 
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Just posted this in the Dickerson thread, but I thought posting it here might help some who may not get the blueshirt situation. Sorry to those who this may bother.

In 2014, we signed 32 guys. VQ at the time had suggested that there was one BS, many of which thought to be Robertson. Swafford was also given a scholarship that next season, meaning he would count towards the 15 class as well (if you receive a scholarship within your first two years on a campus as a WO, you are forward-counted to the next class, much like a Blueshirt).

In 2015, we signed 30 guys. With the cap being at 25, plus Swafford and Robertson adding to that number, we had to blueshirt 7 guys. Bruce and Oliver never made it to the fall semester, so that number went down to 5. Stewart never made it in, so the number went down to 4. Those 4 count against the 2016 class. If Stewart enrolls this summer, he will count against the 2016 class as well, and the magic number then becomes 20.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Maybe I missed it, but I'd read somewhere that there had been concern Stewart might give up football. Has he confirmed his intentions to play at UT? If not, is there a time frame?

Don't mean to sound like a callous jerk because my father died just 5 months ago so I do understand the pain, but life goes on.
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there are rumors out there of him not playing but even if he told Jones that today my guess is Butch holds one spot for him until summer in case he feels different at that time. Would be the right thing to do.

I can't validate that the rumors are accurate BTW
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
Just posted this in the Dickerson thread, but I thought posting it here might help some who may not get the blueshirt situation. Sorry to those who this may bother.

In 2014, we signed 32 guys. VQ at the time had suggested that there was one BS, many of which thought to be Robertson. Swafford was also given a scholarship that next season, meaning he would count towards the 15 class as well (if you receive a scholarship within your first two years on a campus as a WO, you are forward-counted to the next class, much like a Blueshirt).

In 2015, we signed 30 guys. With the cap being at 25, plus Swafford and Robertson adding to that number, we had to blueshirt 7 guys. Bruce and Oliver never made it to the fall semester, so that number went down to 5. Stewart never made it in, so the number went down to 4. Those 4 count against the 2016 class. If Stewart enrolls this summer, he will count against the 2016 class as well, and the magic number then becomes 20.
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excellent. stated where it can easily be understood. agree with all you said. RD Abernathy had to be counted as one of the blue shirts also.
 
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Fortenberry said on 990 show football futures this morning that with calloway & stewart in the Summer we only have 3 spots remaining. He also said, but w Butch Jones & co, they are creative so u never no but 3 is the number. (I paraphrased the last part)
 
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bignewt said:
Gotta make some room then
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Well thats just what I was thinking. If warrior brown dickerson byrd & kongbo want in u cant say no. What about Bailey or Simmons, can you turn them away. I dont want to mention names of kids cause thats crappy to speculate about but are there current players that may be questionable to get in due to grades or at a position that may not be as much of a need?
 
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