The Obama/Holder drug cartel arms smuggling scandal (merged)

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Vol4ever said:
This is the most corrupt administration in US history and that include the Nixon and Carter admins.

Holder and Obama should be held for treason!
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Of all the statements I've ever read on this board I
agree with yours more than all others except I would
say; 'imprisoned for treason!'

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punkcat said:
Holder also testified he had not spoken with or apologized to the Terry family.

Now he is a scumbag liar.
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Not only that, after prosecuting and having another
border patrol agent imprisoned for frisking a 15 yr old
drug mule, he is now suing the wife of the agent for
$9,000 for reparations to the young criminal.

The term 'scumbag liar' is to good of a term for the
sorry SOB, he makes Reno look like a saint.

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punkcat said:
The letter to the Terrys was given to the media before the Terrys ever got it.

Now Holder is a scumbag lying piece of s#!&.
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No one should be at all surprised, holder is the POS
who defied a court order and siezed Elian Gonzalez and
returned him to Fidel, who engineered presidential
pardons for numerous convicted Pueto Rican terrorists,
a major fraudster and hundreds of convicted drug
dealers among numerous other onerous misdeeds.

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RED ALERT: Deputy A.G. behind 'Fast and Furious' met with President Obama four times during the height of the operation

Item 1: In March of 2011, President Obama denied knowledge of 'Operation Fast and Furious' -- the Justice Department program that sent thousands of murder weapons to Mexican drug cartels.
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Item 2: According to documents obtained by the House Judiciary Committee, Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler was keenly aware of all aspects of Operation Fast and Furious as early as March 2010.
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Item 3: Newly released White House Visitor Logs list Grindler as having visited the White House 40 times, but only four times with the President himself. All four meetings with the President occurred over a two-week period, between 7 May 2010 and 19 May 2010.

According to The Los Angeles Times, these dates just so happened to represent the run-up to "the height of [Operation] Fast and Furious":
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Summary: In early 2010, Gary Grindler was intimately involved in all aspects of Operation Fast and Furious. During the height of the operation, Grindler visited the President on four separate occasions in only two weeks -- his only documented meetings with the president at the White House.
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Is there anyone who doesn't believe Obama and Holder are lying through their teeth about knowledge of fast and furious?

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Eric Holder and Barack Obama?s ?mens rea? on Fast and Furious Coach is Right

In the spring of 2009, just a few months before the Obama Administration instructed the Phoenix ATF office to commence Operation Fast and Furious, Attorney General Eric Holder introduced and secured a curious change to United States gun legislation.
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The Regime was just about to launch the corrupt and murderous Operation Fast and Furious. And it must be remembered that during the year long course of that despicable gunwalking venture, no agency or official of the United States government informed the Mexican government of the scheme’s EXISTENCE, keeping all particulars concerning the deliberate smuggling across the Mexican border of thousands of firearms quite hidden from Mexican officials and law enforcement.

So former Congressman Tiahrt asks the obvious question: “ Why sign into law the Tiahrt Trace Data Amendment with clarification language to share trace data with foreign law enforcement agencies at approximately the same time that “Fast and Furious” program illegally allows firearms to cross the border into a foreign country?”

Certainly this Holder– inspired change to Tiahrt was no coincidence. So why did Barack Obama and Eric Holder, hardly known for their attention to details of legality, suddenly consider this detail so important?
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It’s quite possible that when we discover the reason for Holder’s change to the Tiahrt Amendment, we’ll finally have the rest of the pieces to the Fast and Furious puzzle.
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All of the above focuses on 'fast and furious' run out of Arizona but doesn't mention a similar operation in Texas that actually trafficed more guns than 'fast and furious', including some military grade hardware, a similar operation run out of Indianna and an operation run out of Florida that sent weapons to Honduras, an operation that Hitlery Clinton surely had to have been involved with.

Let's go for the trifecta, I call for the committee to call in Clinton and get her on record as perjuring herself also.
 
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Am I the only one who finds the first line intriguing, given the source? "Thousands of murder weapons...."

I thought right wing nutjobds believed fervently that guns don't kill people, people do.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Am I the only one who finds the first line intriguing, given the source? "Thousands of murder weapons...."

I thought right wing nutjobds believed fervently that guns don't kill people, people do.
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I'm guessing the intended angle being played there is that those involved had a very good idea of exactly the kind of people those guns were going to and their likely usage. (And only left wing nutjobs believe guns have the ability to kill of their own volition. :))

Agree or disagree about them being right I think that's how they are trying to portray things with that verbage.
 
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hndog609 said:
I'm guessing the intended angle being played there is that those involved had a very good idea of exactly the kind of people those guns were going to and their likely usage. (And only left wing nutjobs believe guns have the ability to kill of their own volition. :))

Agree or disagree about them being right I think that's how they are trying to portray things with that verbage.
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Well, that is an interesting way to put it. You are distinguishing between guns based on which end up actually killing someone? Not sure gun nuts would or should approve of drawing a line based on that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, that is an interesting way to put it. You are distinguishing between guns based on which end up actually killing someone? Not sure gun nuts would or should approve of drawing a line based on that.
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Ok, let's take the rest of that first line you quote from; "...to Mexican drug cartels."

Again, whether you agree with them or not the approach they're taking (IMO) is what Holder & Co did was akin to knowingly passing out car keys to drunks. The accusation is that they knew (or had every reason to believe) who was getting those guns and how they could/would be used.
 
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Here you go PJ, see how many reasons they would want this case sealed.

Records show agents fired beanbags in fatal border gunfight

The following statement has been attibuted to Terry:

“’But, I do fear the loss of my honor and would rather die fighting than to have it said that I was without courage. So I will fight you, no matter how insurmountable it may seem, to the death if need be, in order that it may never be said of me that I was not a warrior.’ -Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry”

So far 52 congressmen, 3 presidential candidates and 2 governors have called for the resignation of Holder.

I'm searching for the name of the judge who sealed the case and even sealed the reason for sealing the case.

What's the over/under it was a Clinton appointee?
 
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Holder has had the case moved to a San Diego court.

Ariz. sheriffs seek new probe in gun case ? USATODAY.com

Ten of Arizona's 15 sheriffs joined in the call for an independent counsel probe. The sheriffs, including Democrats and Republicans, said they were motivated by public-safety concerns, not political partisanship.

"I feel like we've been betrayed by our government," said Tom Sheahan, sheriff of Mohave County.

"We're in a fight for our country, our constitution and for our very lives," added Larry Dever, sheriff of Cochise County. "Who really is responsible for helping to arm the people we are fighting every day on the border?"
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Knowing how Holder runs things, one of the surviving border patrol agents may have to do some time for shooting one of the armed suspects, with a bean bag. (do they put jelly beans in those bags?)

It can't be Judge John Roll, a lifelong Republican known for his fairhandedness, who was shot to death during the Giffords episode, you remember, the one that ACLG says Sarah Palin was responsible for.

Tucson Shooting Victim Profile: John Roll, 63, Arizona Federal Judge - Dispatch - WSJ

Here we go, the judge in question, David C Bury was appointed by Bush II.

Obama has made two recent nominations, Jennifer Guerin Zipps to fill the vacant John Roll slot and Rosemary Marquez for Frank R. Zapata who took senior status last August.

Zibbs has been a magistrate judge and Marquez has been a defense attorney specialising in federal cases.
 
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PJ Media FBI Criminal Informant Complicit in Brian Terry’s Death (PJM Exclusive)

The rip crew was in Peck Canyon that evening with the intention of stealing money and drugs from a specific shipment of which they had prior knowledge.

Sources claim the Department of Justice has been trying for almost a year to hide the key information — how the rip crew knew the shipment was coming through that night.

Criminal informants (CIs) are a common tool of law enforcement agencies. When agencies apprehend criminals, agencies often reduce or drop charges in exchange for information leading to the arrests of higher-ranking criminals. Earlier this year, reports claimed that Operation Fast and Furious weapons smuggled over the border were actually chosen by an FBI informant, and paid for with money provided by the federal government.

The rip crew knew to be in Peck Canyon that December evening because a CI working for the FBI found out about a smuggling run — from the FBI.
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Neither the DEA nor FBI warned Border Patrol about the expected criminal activity.

The federal government will still not reveal if one of the two WASR-10 AK-pattern semi-automatic rifles located near the scene — provided to the Sinaloa cartel via Operation Fast and Furious — was the weapon that put a bullet through Brian Terry’s heart. The existence of a third recovered gun, an SKS carbine, has been disputed by the FBI despite the fact it had been talked about openly in the beginning of the investigation among federal agents.

Multiple sources tell PJM that this third weapon “disappeared” because it was the weapon carried by the FBI CI who ran the rip crew. When it was recovered near the scene of the murder and subsequently traced by the ATF, it traced back to the FBI CI via the gun shop in Texas where it was purchased.
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In this case, the FBI and DEA failed to deconflict.

Neither agency bothered to warn Border Patrol to keep their BORTAC teams out of Peck Canyon that evening. As a direct result of this FBI and DEA failure — combined with Homeland Security forcing BORTAC units to carry less-lethal beanbag rounds in some of their primary weapons — Brian Terry’s under-armed four-man unit walked into an ambush against a heavily armed rip crew, at least five of whom were carrying rifles.

Brian Terry’s murder was entirely preventable. The incompetence of the DEA and FBI let his Border Patrol unit walk into an ambush. After the ambush, it appears the FBI tampered with evidence to cover up that one of their informants was involved with the murder of a federal agent.
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And oh yeah, big sister at homeland insecurity had the border patrol agents armed with bean bags!
 
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If so, I'll kick it off.

Latest developement;

Sipsey Street Irregulars: Traditional Friday Night DOJ Docu-Dump a whopping 1400 pages. Blaming Arizona. Don't look at us, DOJ sez. "Willing stooges for the Gun Lobby."

Deputy Attorney General Jim Cole sent nearly 1,400 pages of emails and other documents to Capitol Hill late Friday afternoon that lay bare the raw and sometimes cringe-worthy process by which the letter was drafted. The materials contain clues into how misleading information about the botched gun trafficking operation made it into a Feb. 4, 2011 letter to Congress that department leaders have since acknowledged was false. . .
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I recommend reading the whole post in the link.

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Eric Holder should serve at least 20 years in prison.
 
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"Gunwalker": Agent's family wants death details - CBS News

Brian Terry's father, Kent, and his mother, Josie, shared their thoughts on the testimony with Attkisson.
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Josie Terry said of Holder, "I thought he was very evasive. I thought that this was his second time around, and I still didn't get anything out of it -- at all. Seems like all the questions that he was asked, he was evading or throwing someone else underneath the bus."

Kent Terry added, "We've heard five different stories, and every time we hear (a new) one, (it) is different. We never got a straight answer."
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Josie Terry said, "I couldn't believe that something like that would happen. I just couldn't believe that they would let those guns go across the border, and all them other innocent people in Mexico would get killed with those same guns."
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Josie said, "Brian loved his country. Brian was a true Marine, he was a true American. When Brian was a Marine, he used to always say you never leave a man behind. And I think they're leaving my son behind, that's what I think. And I know that would be a disgrace to him."
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This is a scandal hatched by Barry, Eric and Hitlery that is unprecedented in American history.

But since the media won't cover it, then it never happened in many peoples minds.
 
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NEOCON said:
Head of ATF Likely to Be Ousted - WSJ.com

LG, if this was Bush you'd be on fire right now.

Where's your outrage now?

Too busy calling out Foxnews on "supposedly" false Weiner accusations to bother with guns being allowed to cross the border, huh?
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Are we forgetting the "Iran-Contra" affair. Why don't we quit the Martian conspiracy theories and demand that our politicians do the job that we hired them to do. Rather than attacking each other so that they can gain and abuse political offices. We're being treated like puppets and we keep reaching for string!
 
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Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
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ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3".
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On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."
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Several gun dealers who cooperated with ATF told CBS News and Congressional investigators they only went through with suspicious sales because ATF asked them to.

Sometimes it was against the gun dealer's own best judgment.
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Two months later, the same gun dealer grew more agitated.

"I wanted to make sure that none of the firearms that were sold per our conversation with you and various ATF agents could or would ever end up south of the border or in the hands of the bad guys. I guess I am looking for a bit of reassurance that the guns are not getting south or in the wrong hands...I want to help ATF with its investigation but not at the risk of agents (sic) safety because I have some very close friends that are US Border Patrol agents in southern AZ as well as my concern for all the agents (sic) safety that protect our country."

"It's like ATF created or added to the problem so they could be the solution to it and pat themselves on the back," says one law enforcement source familiar with the facts. "It's a circular way of thinking."

The Justice Department and ATF declined to comment. ATF officials mentioned in this report did not respond to requests from CBS News to speak with them.
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On April 25, 2011, ATF announced plans to implement Demand Letter 3. The National Shooting Sports Foundation is suing the ATF to stop the new rules. It calls the regulation an illegal attempt to enforce a law Congress never passed.
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On July 12, 2011, Sen. Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) wrote Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department oversees ATF. They asked Holder whether officials in his agency discussed how "Fast and Furious could be used to justify additional regulatory authorities." So far, they have not received a response. CBS News asked the Justice Department for comment and context on ATF emails about Fast and Furious and Demand Letter 3, but officials declined to speak with us.

"In light of the evidence, the Justice Department's refusal to answer questions about the role Operation Fast and Furious was supposed to play in advancing new firearms regulations is simply unacceptable," Rep. Issa told CBS News.
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myrobbins7 said:
Well isn't that nice.

Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
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Oops, sorry, didn't mean to step on your post.

More on the topic that most of the media seems determined to completely ignore.

Sarah Palin's facebook page asks if this is the smoking gun indicating a criminal conspiracy at the top levels of our present government.

The answer has to be yes.
 
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BREAKING: Grassley calls for Lanny Breuer?s resignation from DoJ - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

Senator Charles Grassley has called on Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who heads the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, to hand in his resignation over his apparent mishandling and misleading testimony about his involvement in the oversight of Operation Fast and Furious.

Speaking on the Senate floor, Grassley was blunt in his criticism of Breuer:

I’ve done oversight for many years, and in all that time, I don’t ever remember coming across a government official who so blatantly placed sparing agencies embarrassment over protecting the lives of citizens.

The full text of Grassley’s remarks can be found here.
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I think he has a week to answer the second subpeona and turn over the 60,000 pages Issa has requested.
 
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