The "Occupy" Rallies

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MG1968 said:
many in the GOP and the right in general are in favor of flattening the tax rate and eliminating deductions and loopholes.

the big lie here is the one about "paying their fair share". 15% capital gains tax on $50 million is a helluva lot more than 35% income tax on $55k, in terms of real revenue collected. You can piss and moan all you want about the perception brought on by the disparity in the percentages, but when you start looking at the actual amounts paid, it will open your eyes.
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My eyes are open, I promise. My family is easily in the top 1%. I've make over 15k over 2.5 year in college just from investing money I've been given from my parents and grandparents. Would I lower less taxes? Yes. Who doesn't want more money? But do I really think it's fair that I get to play with thousands of dollars I didn't earn when some of my college friends can hardly feed themselves? Not really.
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Brewerw said:
My eyes are open, I promise. My family is easily in the top 1%. I've make over 15k over 2.5 year in college just from investing money I've been given from my parents and grandparents. Would I lower less taxes? Yes. Who doesn't want more money? But do I really think it's fair that I get to play with thousands of dollars I didn't earn when some of my college friends can hardly feed themselves? Not really.
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then guess what, there is nothing, not a single thing, stopping your from either sending more money, voluntarily, to the government or, better yet, setting up a fund to help your struggling college buddies.

why you and LG insist that the Federal Government should be allowed to take more is beyond me.
 
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Brewerw said:
My eyes are open, I promise. My family is easily in the top 1%. I've make over 15k over 2.5 year in college just from investing money I've been given from my parents and grandparents. Would I lower less taxes? Yes. Who doesn't want more money? But do I really think it's fair that I get to play with thousands of dollars I didn't earn when some of my college friends can hardly feed themselves? Not really.
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Just because you have money in the bank and you are not using it, doesnt mean that the government deserves it.

The fraud and waste needs to be cut first before we can talk taxes
 
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Brewerw said:
My eyes are open, I promise. My family is easily in the top 1%. I've make over 15k over 2.5 year in college just from investing money I've been given from my parents and grandparents. Would I lower less taxes? Yes. Who doesn't want more money? But do I really think it's fair that I get to play with thousands of dollars I didn't earn when some of my college friends can hardly feed themselves? Not really.
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Would you invest that money in a company that wastes money, is inefficient, etc? Why then would you support giving it to the government?
 
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Brewerw said:
But do I really think it's fair that I get to play with thousands of dollars I didn't earn when some of my college friends can hardly feed themselves? Not really.
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then maybe college isn't the best route for them. If they have it rough now then they're in for a rude awakening no matter the economy
 
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volinbham said:
I miss the good old days when LG warned us that politicians using fear and divisive rhetoric were inciting discontent and potential violence. I guess when it's his guy doing it then we have a legit reaction that should be supported not mocked or ignored.
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It wasn't politicians who started these protests. And Obama's first reaction in a conference last week was to defend Wall Street.

Good try, though.
 
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vols4sure said:
Would you invest that money in a company that wastes money, is inefficient, etc? Why then would you support giving it to the government?
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Or better yet, cash it out and start a brush fire with it. If you don't deserve why does someone else.
 
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MG1968 said:
then guess what, there is nothing, not a single thing, stopping your from either sending more money, voluntarily, to the government or, better yet, setting up a fund to help your struggling college buddies.

why you and LG insist that the Federal Government should be allowed to take more is beyond me.
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Guess what, I almost always pick up my friends bar tabs, keep our fridge stocked, got us a huge HD tv, and lend money to people all the time.
When I have a solid income tax I will gladly overstate my taxes.
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Brewerw said:
Guess what, I almost always pick up my friends bar tabs, keep our fridge stocked, got us a huge HD tv, and lend money to people all the time.
When I have a solid income tax I will gladly overstate my taxes.
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why not give to a charity instead of one of the most inefficient machines out there?
 
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MG1968 said:
then guess what, there is nothing, not a single thing, stopping your from either sending more money, voluntarily, to the government or, better yet, setting up a fund to help your struggling college buddies.

why you and LG insist that the Federal Government should be allowed to take more is beyond me.
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I agree that our spending has been reckless and misplaced. But I favor the tax hike on millionaires as part of our effort to pay off the debt, along with spending cuts and long term entitlement reforms.

We can argue until the cows come home how we got here and who is to blame. But think about it: the middle class is squeezed to the breaking point while TARP and stimulus and bailouts have taken care of the corporate leadership that is part of the bigger mess.

And then the government says, well, we 'll cut spending on the poor and the middle class and maintain a tax structure that has massively benefited the wealthy and in a lot of ways retarded economic growth at the bottom.

That's just not going to go over well.
 
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Brewerw said:
Guess what, I almost always pick up my friends bar tabs, keep our fridge stocked, got us a huge HD tv, and lend money to people all the time.
When I have a solid income tax I will gladly overstate my taxes.
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?:crazy:
 
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Brewerw said:
Guess what, I almost always pick up my friends bar tabs, keep our fridge stocked, got us a huge HD tv, and lend money to people all the time.
When I have a solid income tax I will gladly overstate my taxes.
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ever ask or wonder if they resent you? do they view you as one of the rich who is getting richer? or are you viewed as a limitless source of beer and pretzels and are only their "friend" as long as you keep providing for them?
 
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vols4sure said:
Would you invest that money in a company that wastes money, is inefficient, etc? Why then would you support giving it to the government?
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No, but a person is not a company. People are way more important than money and I would gladly pay more money to the government to ensure every American is promised food and shelter, a free education, and free health care.
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Brewerw said:
No, but a person is not a company. People are way more important than money and I would gladly pay more money to the government to ensure every American is promised food and shelter, a free education, and free health care.
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this word "free"...

your trust in govt is amazing. Why should I pay for someone else's needs?
 
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Brewerw said:
No, but a person is not a company. People are way more important than money and I would gladly pay more money to the government to ensure every American is promised food and shelter, a free education, and free health care.
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You can't ensure it tho. Not efficiently anyway. Research you a good charity or homeless shelter and write them a check every month and watch your money mean something.
 
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Brewerw said:
Guess what, I almost always pick up my friends bar tabs, keep our fridge stocked, got us a huge HD tv, and lend money to people all the time.
When I have a solid income tax I will gladly overstate my taxes.
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It seems you are already good at giving away other peoples money.
 
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MG1968 said:
ever ask or wonder if they resent you? do they view you as one of the rich who is getting richer? or are you viewed as a limitless source of beer and pretzels and are only their "friend" as long as you keep providing for them?
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Nope, because I don't really care. If they're friends with me only for money then shame on them.
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't politicians who started these protests. And Obama's first reaction in a conference last week was to defend Wall Street.

Good try, though.
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Politicians didn't start the TP either but you claimed the fear-mongering rhetoric of right wing politicians and talk-show folks were at the root of the underlying anger.

Obama has 2.5 years demonizing Wall Street and "millionaires and billionaires" who don't pay their fair share and benefit from "who you know".

If the rhetoric of the right was responsible then you must too hold the left responsible for it's rhetoric
 
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BeecherVol said:
You can't ensure it tho. Not efficiently anyway. Research you a good charity or homeless shelter and write them a check every month and watch your money mean something.
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There's your mistake. The government is the only way to ensure everyone who needs help gets it. People will abuse the system, that doesn't change that it's morally the right thing to do.
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