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[zjcvols]

Basilio has been on an endless campaign to run off Guarantano. Half of his sheep callers think they're cute calling him Gitmo and more than half have joined the campaign to run him out of Knoxville before next fall.

All of those knuckle draggers think they know better, than the coaching staff that studies hundreds of hours of practice video of TN's QBs, which one should be taking snaps.

Great point made above... is it 4 OCs in 4 years? Plus is this the first season that the OL didn't let him get hit on the majority of plays all year? And... a broken wrist resulted in how much missed practice and disrupted timing even on simply hand offs?

It's highly unlikely that Santiago Vescovi can carry TN to the 2020 NCAAT and the true freshman Bailey will be able to run the offense better than the 5th year senior "Gitmo". But hating is how we roll, Aight?

Butch Derangement Syndrom is real. JG is a Butch recruit.

I kind of hope that he does grad transfer. Not because I think that TN is a better team without him. He doesn't deserve the crap that he's been taking from the dumb faction of the fan base and it will only get worse with the freshman in the wings.

Not sure I’ve ever agreed with you so much TGO

 

[omghulkhands]

As you should. Some of TN's most loved QBs weren't crackers. Condredge, Jimmy, Tee, Tony (the GOAT), and Josh especially. Jerry could have been had he not had a career ending injury in his first start.

I don’t think your points are relevant.

People’s ability to like or appreciate good black QBs doesn’t factor in.

We are talking why does it seem on this message board people hate and are weirdly obsessed with JG way more than they were with JW. Both bad QBs. And we mostly agree JW was worse too.

But I’d like to avoid a political discussion so we should probably stop.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I don’t think your points are relevant.

People’s ability to like or appreciate good black QBs doesn’t factor in.

We are talking why does it seem on this message board people hate and are weirdly obsessed with JG way more than they were with JW. Both bad QBs. And we mostly agree JW was worse too.

But I’d like to avoid a political discussion so we should probably stop.

My point is that TN fans have traditionally been color blind in regard to the QBs. Those listed are some of the most popular ever. So are Peyton and Heath. White JW played over black Josh Dobbs and fans objected. Black JG plays over the 2 white freshmen and fans object. I haven't had a Snickers today. I'm not sure how a racial element fits the narrative.

 

[omghulkhands]

My point is that TN fans have traditionally been color blind in regard to the QBs. Those listed are some of the most popular ever. So are Peyton and Heath. White JW played over black Josh Dobbs and fans objected. Black JG plays over the 2 white freshmen and fans object. I haven't had a Snickers today. I'm not sure how a racial element fits the narrative.

“White JW played over black Josh Dobbs and fans objected”

That’s not how I remember it at all. Beyond the fact that there were lots of Worley apologists, nobody objected in favor of Dobbs because he was the 4th string QB.

 

[cncchris33]

So do you consider Maude & Shrout losers?? Imo if you are winning games then you aren’t a loser, nobody is claiming him to be elite, but I definitely don’t think “loser” is accurate.

I don’t believe we have seen enough of either Shrout or Maurer to accurately label their abilities, yet. But, fwiw, neither give me a ton of hope based on what I’ve seen to this point.

Guarantano, on the other hand, has played three seasons, and inspires no more hope in me today than he did last year. I just don’t see growth. He still has the same struggles he’s always had. Maybe Chaney can coach them out of him in another offseason. Hard to believe a tiger will change his stripes suddenly as a 5th year senior, though.

And again, I just don’t think JG knows how to win games when it is squarely on his shoulders to do it. We can tout his wins against the Kentuckys and Missouris of the world, but those are teams we should easily compete with anyway. He is 0-for against the teams we aspire to be like. His best wins are over an 8-5 Auburn team and a 10-3 Kentucky team, but he also has losses to Georgia State, BYU, Kentucky, and blowout losses to Missouri and Vanderbilt in back-to-back years on his resume, too.

I just don’t believe that winning games you’re supposed to win makes you a winner. It makes you average. Losing games you should win drags that down to below average. And, IMO, JG has lost more games he should have won than games he’s won where he should have lost. Not all of those losses fall on the QB, but not all of those wins are to his credit, either.

And again, great kid, never been in trouble, he’s persevered thru a lot of adversity in his time at Tennessee, and that is why I hope people believe me when I say I’m not calling him a loser to be ugly or derogatory. I used the word because I don’t believe he is a winner on the field. And it stops there.

I’m fine with people disagreeing with that notion, but to simply say he’s won more games than he’s lost as justification doesn’t sway me. To me, there is more to it.

 

[Vols All Day]

“White JW played over black Josh Dobbs and fans objected”

That’s not how I remember it at all. Beyond the fact that there were lots of Worley apologists, nobody objected in favor of Dobbs because he was the 4th string QB.

Yep, a lot of folks wanted to bench Dobbs for Peterman and Dormady. There is a racial component to the reactions of the fans. We have had people question why every assistant on Cuonzo’s staff was black and last year there were people questioning why there weren’t more white girls on the Lady Vols.

 

[omghulkhands]

Yep, a lot of folks wanted to bench Dobbs for Peterman and Dormady. There is a racial component to the reactions of the fans. We have had people question why every assistant on Cuonzo’s staff was black and last year there were people questioning why there weren’t more white girls on the Lady Vols.

Well I don’t think anyone wanted Peterman by this time.

But I do remember lots of calls for Dormady because he was gonna be a more polished and “accurate” passer. Mostly just people stereotyping because they had no evidence to base that off. Dormady ended up sucking, of course.

 

[cncchris33]

“White JW played over black Josh Dobbs and fans objected”

That’s not how I remember it at all. Beyond the fact that there were lots of Worley apologists, nobody objected in favor of Dobbs because he was the 4th string QB.

That’s how I remember it. A LOT of people wanted Dobbs in over Worley, and I’m not sure he was ever 4th string. Even as a freshman, he was 2nd on the team in passing statistics, attempting 121 passes to Nathan Peterman’s 23.

During Worley’s senior season (Dobbs’ sophomore year), the cries were even louder until Worley was injured and Dobbs took over for good against Alabama.

 

[omghulkhands]

That’s how I remember it. A LOT of people wanted Dobbs in over Worley, and I’m not sure he was ever 4th string. Even as a freshman, he was 2nd on the team in passing statistics, attempting 121 passes to Nathan Peterman’s 23.

During Worley’s senior season (Dobbs’ sophomore year), the cries were even louder until Worley was injured and Dobbs took over for good against Alabama.

I do think you are misremembering it.

Dobbs only saw the field because of a rash of injuries in both his Freshman and Sophomore seasons.

He attempted more passes than Peterman because he was healthy and there was nobody else to play his freshman year.

Dobbs played pretty poorly and didn’t run much at all his Freshman year. Many expected him to transfer and had written him off.

The following year he was absolutely 4th on the Depth chart. Everyone was excited about the kid that Transferred to Memphis. Can’t even remember his name. But he broke his leg or whatever.

Dobbs played and and in his first start of his soph year had like 400 yards of offense and 5 tds and it was confusing because he looked like a totally different player than the one we had seen the year before

 

[cncchris33]

I do think you are misremembering it.

Dobbs only saw the field because of a rash of injuries in both his Freshman and Sophomore seasons.

He attempted more passes than Peterman because he was healthy and there was nobody else to play his freshman year.

Dobbs played pretty poorly and didn’t run much at all his Freshman year. Many expected him to transfer and had written him off.

The following year he was absolutely 4th on the Depth chart. Everyone was excited about the kid that Transferred to Memphis. Can’t even remember his name. But he broke his leg or whatever.

Dobbs played and and in his first start of his senior year had like 400 yards of offense and 5 tds and it was confusing because he looked like a totally different player than the one we had seen the year before

I guess you are talking about Riley Ferguson, maybe, but I don’t remember Dobbs being behind him, Worley, and Peterman, not at least for an entire season. Researching it, it looks like Dobbs was 3rd on the 2014 preseason depth chart, presumably ahead of freshman Ferguson, who was redshirting, IIRC.

In 2013, Worley was benched in favor of Peterman, who was later injured with a broken hand. Worley then re-entered the picture after Peterman’s injury. Dobbs came on in relief after an injury to Worley’s thumb.

As I remember it, as a SO, Peterman played in relief of an injured Worley after Worley hurt his shoulder, but Peterman was quickly benched and Dobbs took over for good. As previously stated, Ferguson was redshirting, I believe.

 

[VolGee4]

You guys are misremembering. Riley Ferguson left in May of 2014. He was only on the roster for one season and then the next spring.

Ferguson was probably 3rd string his freshman year, but he hurt his leg, and that is why Dobbs played.

In 2014, Dobbs was third string, and there was talk of trying to redshirt him again. I don't believe many had "written him off." Speculation was that his family really wanted a year for his academics. He then played against Alabama and never gave it up. Once people saw what Dobbs could do with his feet, there were certainly people questioning why he didn't play over Worley. Dobbs still struggled passing into 2015, but it was clear he was a better fit for the system that Butch ran.

 

[cncchris33]

You guys are misremembering. Riley Ferguson left in May of 2014. He was only on the roster for one season and then the next spring.

Ferguson was probably 3rd string his freshman year, but he hurt his leg, and that is why Dobbs played.

In 2014, Dobbs was third string, and there was talk of trying to redshirt him again. I don't believe many had "written him off." Speculation was that his family really wanted a year for his academics. He then played against Alabama and never gave it up. Once people saw what Dobbs could do with his feet, there were certainly people questioning why he didn't play over Worley. Dobbs still struggled passing into 2015, but it was clear he was a better fit for the system that Butch ran.

You are right. I had forgotten Dobbs and Ferguson were in the same class. I was thinking Ferguson came in a year later. So, perhaps Dobbs was 4th string to open the season his freshman year, but it didn’t last long because of Ferguson’s leg injury and then others to Worley and Peterman.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

“White JW played over black Josh Dobbs and fans objected”

That’s not how I remember it at all. Beyond the fact that there were lots of Worley apologists, nobody objected in favor of Dobbs because he was the 4th string QB.

I remember like you, nobody objected that Worley was playing over Dobbs because most never thought Dobbs would be any good. Heck I was probably one of them. I also remember people pumping pretty much everyone over Dobbs until it became clear Dobbs was by far the best QB on the roster. A lot of the Dobbs love now is revisionist.

 

[Ace]

Wow, I thought this was the Basketball thread

 

[VolGee4]

I remember like you, nobody objected that Worley was playing over Dobbs because most never thought Dobbs would be any good. Heck I was probably one of them. I also remember people pumping pretty much everyone over Dobbs until it became clear Dobbs was by far the best QB on the roster. A lot of the Dobbs love now is revisionist.

Eh, I was at the UF game in 2014. Time and time again, we had chances. Ferguson had already left. I know they were trying to redshirt him, but I recall there were certainly questions about why Dobbs or even Peterman wasn't utilized then.

You also have to remember that Dobbs threw 2 TD's and 6 INT's to finish 2013. It's not like he was tearing it up. Just like many freshman QB's, he just needed some development. Unfortunately, he got thrown in the fire.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Wow, I thought this was the Basketball thread

You were wrong. This is the any topic thread in the Basketball Forum.

 

[JohnD13]

Guess who is cleared to play!!!!!!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Guess who is cleared to play!!!!!!

WHERE IN THE WORLD IS....


SANTIAGO!?!?


Excited for the LSU game now, let’s see what the youth movement can do for Barnes. It turned out good for Pruitt.

 

[cncchris33]

Eh, I was at the UF game in 2014. Time and time again, we had chances. Ferguson had already left. I know they were trying to redshirt him, but I recall there were certainly questions about why Dobbs or even Peterman wasn't utilized then.

You also have to remember that Dobbs threw 2 TD's and 6 INT's to finish 2013. It's not like he was tearing it up. Just like many freshman QB's, he just needed some development. Unfortunately, he got thrown in the fire.

You are helping to refresh my memory. I forgot about the multiple attempts to redshirt him. If only the 4 game rule had existed his freshman or sophomore year. He played in 5 and 6 games, respectively, but he could have been held out of one game as a freshman to preserve that year of eligibility. Of course, Butch may have survived 2017 with Dobbs at QB, so it worked out for the best.

 

[Lankykong]

I still don’t think Worley or Guarantano are bad, just mediocre. Both have/had a lot of fight in them, and I’m glad they are VFL. Worley needed a better OL desperately, Guarantano is just really inconsistent. Sue me.

I remember everyone thought Matt Simms was terrible, and he even made an NFL roster.

 

[VEKZY]

I still don’t think Worley or Guarantano are bad, just mediocre. Both have/had a lot of fight in them, and I’m glad they are VFL. Worley needed a better OL desperately, Guarantano is just really inconsistent. Sue me.

I remember everyone thought Matt Simms was terrible, and he even made an NFL roster.

Worley was bad.

 

[The Dog]

i could honestly write a book on the enigma that was Butch Jones.

Josh Dobbs was a fluke. Multiple injuries had to occur for him to see the field and Butch had a strong obsession with Justin Worley, the worst QB in modern UT history. He makes JG look like Peyton Manning by comparison.

Then, Dobbs goes on to salvage games that were so poorly coached and managed with constant timeout errors, clock management, charts for conversions, passive play calling with the lead. Prevent defenses. Bizarre personnel decisions. The list goes on and on.

DeBord seems like an awful hire. It ends up being a great hire, so you Butch has effectively bought your trust when he promoted Larry Scott and you assume it’ll be fine. It’s a disaster.

What a circus it was.

I strongly disagree with your feelings on Worley. Imo, Worley is a lot better than JG and would have won 10 games if he was UTs QB, this year. JG is the worst multi-year starting QB in my lifetime (49 on the 31st)at UT, easily. In fact, probably the worst QB at UT that ever started a game,period

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I strongly disagree with your feelings on Worley. Imo, Worley is a lot better than JG and won have won 10 games if he was UTs QB, this year. JG is the worst multi-year starting QB in my lifetime (49 on the 31st)at UT, easily. In fact, probably the worst QB at UT that ever started a game, period

Ridiculous.

 

[The Dog]

Ridiculous.

Why ? Worley could read a defense, didn't have the arm that JG has and no where near the offensive line JG, now has

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Why ? Worley could read a defense, didn't have the arm that JG has and no where near the offensive line JG, now has

To say JG is the worst QB to ever start for UT is one of the dumbest things I've read on here.