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cncchris33 said:
1. That isn’t entirely true. A donation was made on the front end by that season ticket holder, or his/her parents.

2. It’s fine to be upset at that notion as a younger fan, but it isn’t the current ticket holder’s fault that Tennessee made a bad business decision 35 years ago that is coming back to bite them, now. At some point, rent was bound to come due. Tennessee should honor that commitment to its completion, and if they don’t, shame on them. And any fans that currently think they’re getting in on a good idea, you better think twice before believing Tennessee’s AD will ever be honest with you. Any guarantee you think you have, well…you’d do well to bookmark this event.
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This is true in more than just Tennessee athletics.
 
#8,502
#8,502
bleedingTNorange said:
The school makes more money by requiring donations for 100% of those season tickets, where as now approximately 50% of those season tickets get a donation…seems like pretty simple math to me?

For the older crowd paying no donation the price goes up, for the younger and more recent crowd the price goes down.
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How do you figure? You really think the donation for those seats is going to be the same as their current donation?

You think the guy making a $500-$1000 donation for seats in the end zone or upper deck is going to get my dad’s tickets at mid court, row 21, for the same annual donation? Fat chance.
 
#8,504
#8,504
bleedingTNorange said:
I get it, I would be upset too if I had a lifetime deal and it didn’t hold…but I’d also be upset if I was a new season ticket holder and I’m being required to turn in a sizable donation every year while the guy next to me has never had to. According to White and VQ and multiple other outlets they basically think they’re going to gain more new donors than losing of the older crowd who has those current deals in place…only time will tell, and if somehow they start winning it’ll be a moot point because numbers will grow regardless.
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The earlier donors were lied to. Feelings of new fans aren’t relevant to UT honoring previous commitments. UT can never be trusted again if they screw over the original donor base.
 
#8,505
#8,505
cncchris33 said:
This. The idea that Tennessee is going to somehow make less money on this venture to “improve fan experience” is extremely naive. This is a money grab, and yes, while tickets for the same seats may be slightly cheaper, you can guarantee that the underlying cost for the privilege to secure those same seats isn’t staying at $0.00.
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They are also being deceptive with their data and the comparison. There are 8 home games in 2021. In 2022 there are only 7. Notice how they are comparing total cost of season tickets rather than the cost per game?
 
#8,506
#8,506
The issue is that there is a revolving door of leadership. There is no long term vision… just grabbing as much cash as possible in the near term.

First world problem. The football program doesn’t seem like it will ever get back on track so there will always be cheap tickets in the secondary market.
 
#8,507
#8,507
cncchris33 said:
How do you figure? You really think the donation for those seats is going to be the same as their current donation?

You think the guy making a $500-$1000 donation for seats in the end zone or upper deck is going to get my dad’s tickets at mid court, row 21, for the same annual donation? Fat chance.
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This is an overly simplistic example, but…

Current:
You have 27k people making no donation and buying tickets for $1,000

and

You have 27k people making a $5,000 donation and paying $500 for tickets

Total: $175,500,000


Proposed:
55k people making a $3,000 donation and paying $500 for tickets.

Total: $192,500,000



So for 50% of people the price goes down, for interested new parties the price goes down, only for those grandfathered in does the price go up.
 
#8,508
#8,508
cncchris33 said:
Sure it is, but we are talking about Tennessee athletics, specifically, and the contract they have with their current season ticket holders.
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I saw someone else mention somewhere that this deals didn’t include specifics on seats…you good with being moved to the furthest point away and keeping your deal?
 
#8,510
#8,510
cncchris33 said:
I understand why you'd say that, but selfishly, I don't want to see it happen. My dad and his buddies have seats at midcourt, 20 rows up, and have forever because of that promise by the UTAD.

Beyond that, at the cost of those tickets, you'll eventually just trade one wealthy, aging fanbase for another. Rinse, wash, repeat. Danny White is about to piss off the entire fanbase in all sports, at least the portion of fans that ultimately pay his salary and contribute the majority of private dollars to the athletic department. Fair to say that he will pick up money from new contributors, but will it offset the "old money" he's about to piss off?

Lastly, a promise is a promise. Tennessee should honor that, especially as it relates to Thompson-Boling Arena. Those donors were promised those tickets for life and the opportunity to grandfather them one generation (IIRC). Going back on that word will likely cause future donors to be gunshy on any "promise" made by the AD.
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Not sure about this deal in basketball, but I am all for the deal in football and understand why it's being done. If there are a bunch of people that have been able to just buy the tickets in football without a donation for a number of years, then UT is not maximizing its revenue streams. By forcing all to require donations, then more money comes in. The AD has been run amuck for years, and now we have an AD who understands business. Even if people get upset and leave, others will pay the donation, and the revenue will grow.

I hate that it is upsetting people. If it is going back on a promise, I hate that, too. But, the demand will be there to see UT athletics, especially in basketball.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Not sure about this deal in basketball, but I am all for the deal in football and understand why it's being done. If there are a bunch of people that have been able to just buy the tickets in football without a donation for a number of years, then UT is not maximizing its revenue streams. By forcing all to require donations, then more money comes in. The AD has been run amuck for years, and now we have an AD who understands business. Even if people get upset and leave, others will pay the donation, and the revenue will grow.

I hate that it is upsetting people. If it is going back on a promise, I hate that, too. But, the demand will be there to see UT athletics, especially in basketball.
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Bingo. You’re gonna piss people off and that sucks, but they’re banking on the fact they’re going to gain new/younger donors/crowd.
 
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#8,512
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The weak and incompetent leadership has lost control of the athletic department. The athletic department is no longer under the control of the university. Many of those grandfathered arrangements were the result of service provided to and donations made to the UNIVERSITY and the tickets were an incentive or reward.

With N-I-L NCAA sports have really just evolved into the minor leagues for football and basketball. As it goes further in that direction, fan interest will eventually fall off substantially. That’s not a UT specific issue. Money is ruining what was once a really cool thing.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The issue is that there is a revolving door of leadership. There is no long term vision… just grabbing as much cash as possible in the near term.

First world problem. The football program doesn’t seem like it will ever get back on track so there will always be cheap tickets in the secondary market.
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Actually there is finally leadership in the university and AD. We have finally have a President, Chancellor and AD all in one accord for the first time since the 90’s. Danny White is as forward thinking a leader in college Athletics today. I’m sorry a promise made by a desperate university made 37 years ago is getting broken, but maybe those people should just appreciate the 37 years of discounts they’ve been given.
 
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#8,517
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What was the deal w bring grandfathered in? That they could pass tickets along to their heirs in perpetuity?
 
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golfballs said:
What was the deal w bring grandfathered in? That they could pass tickets along to their heirs in perpetuity?
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They’re reneging on promises made for the benefit of faculty member widows. Lying and cheating is a bad look for a public institution. Money grab.

It would be one thing if it all of the riches were being pumped back in to the university. Too much of it is enriching a handful of individuals.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
They’re reneging on promises made for the benefit of faculty member widows. Lying and cheating is a bad look for a public institution. Money grab.

It would be one thing if it all of the riches were being pumped back in to the university. Too much of it is enriching a handful of individuals.
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He was asking how it worked…does it pass on to your children, then their children? Stop with you when you die?
 
#8,525
#8,525
zjcvols said:
Then fine, let me reword it. Anybody involved in that initial decision is no longer here or in charge.
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I mean same deal. Nobody who was promised anything back then was thinking the AD at the time was promising it. It was a promise from the school
 
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