The Official “Regular Posters of the Basketball Forum” Thread

[VolsSportsFan]

You’re full of it.

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As seen above from the broadcast, the celebration was on the edge of the playing surface.

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As seen above from the WCIA angle, the court is below the camera. But it’s clear that the guy who shoved Gainey (blue shirt) was going out of his way into our celebration. The courtside crowd is a several feet away from our players, other than the one instigator.

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And finally, as you can see from this angle taken a second after the previous image, after Lanier is pushed, the fan retreats back to the courtside area. He stepped into our celebration because he was a butthurt loser.

Incredible that you’d “both sides” this. If a UT donor sitting courtside did this, they should (and probably would) be permanently banned from TBA.

This, the ones getting close to our guys had to take steps to even get there. In other words, they put themselves there.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

You're asking me to come on? Really? I hate playing this card because it's purely hypothetical, but this forum would be up in arms if another team's celebration spilled into the courside seats at TBA. I didn't say the spectator was in the right or excused for the shove, just holding our players accountable for their own actions.

If another team celebrated into the actual seats and were knocking over fans, then yeah. But that's not remotely what happened. If our fans stepped forward to make themselves part of the fray, I'd say our fans were in the wrong.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Again, there's no excuse for the spectator's action. I'm arguing that our guys lost awareness of their surroundings, which was a mistake. Not an earth shattering abomination of justice, just an honest mistake. If we were a reasonable distance from the seating area while celebrating, then we wouldn't be talking about his now. We were wholly in the front row of the courtside seats seconds after the end of a buzzer beater.

I'm sorry but your take is getting worse. We wouldn't be talking about this if the Illinois fan hadn't gone out of his way to shove our player in the back. If the shove had never happend, not a freakin word would be talked about this.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

You’re full of it.

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As seen above from the broadcast, the celebration was on the edge of the playing surface.

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As seen above from the WCIA angle, the court is below the camera. But it’s clear that the guy who shoved Gainey (blue shirt) was going out of his way into our celebration. The courtside crowd is a several feet away from our players, other than the one instigator.

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And finally, as you can see from this angle taken a second after the previous image, after Lanier is pushed, the fan retreats back to the courtside area. He stepped into our celebration because he was a butthurt loser.

Incredible that you’d “both sides” this. If a UT donor sitting courtside did this, they should (and probably would) be permanently banned from TBA.

1. Why are you trying to convince me that the Illinois fan did something wrong? I never insinuated that the guy had any right to touch any of our players.

2. I'm not sure where your stills are from, but if you could advance your first example a few frames, you can clearly see where are entirely in the seating area, which again is my only gripe.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

1. Why are you trying to convince me that the Illinois fan did something wrong? I never insinuated that the guy had any right to touch any of our players.

2. I'm not sure where your stills are from, but if you could advance your first example a few frames, you can clearly see where are entirely in the seating area, which again is my only gripe.

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He isn't trying to convince you that, he's pointing out the guy who shoved Lanier went out of his way to shove Lanier. He wasn't in his damn seat, he stepped out several step to do so.

Which pretty much makes your point bulls***. If the fan has to go out that far from his seat area to do that then how is the team celebrating barely even in the "seating are" relevant? You seem to be making this a "both sides" thing by saying we were in the seating area therefore we have some blame but the idiot came out of the seating area to initiate contact.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

We can agree to disagree if you guys are saying it's okay if an opposing teams celebration spills into the courtside seats.

I have less than 0 clue how any of you are taking away that I think the shoving fan had any right or justification for his actions.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

We can agree to disagree if you guys are saying it's okay if an opposing teams celebration spills into the courtside seats.

I have less than 0 clue how any of you are taking away that I think the shoving fan had any right or justification for his actions.

Who is saying that?

 

[VolFreakJosh]

That fan would have been laid out in 3 seconds

 

[Chris4Vols22]

Who is saying that?

Maybe no one; I wasn't understanding the relevance of mentioning the guy at all outside of my first comment.

Man, obviously things aren't always crystal clear on replay, but I pretty easily see enough to make me say we overstepped a little. I still say good for us for exercising restraint after the shove; hopefully Illinois deals with the loser.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

We can agree to disagree if you guys are saying it's okay if an opposing teams celebration spills into the courtside seats.

I have less than 0 clue how any of you are taking away that I think the shoving fan had any right or justification for his actions.

I don’t think anyone is or has insinuated you believe the Illinois fans actions are justified. Seems more like people take exception with you putting some fault on our players, when it seems that’s not justified. You said that our guys also need to be held accountable for their actions, but to me that insinuates we did something wrong which I don’t believe to be the case.

 

[cncchris33]

Our celebration traveled into the courtside seating area; that is not debatable. If YTTV didn't have screenshot protection, I would provide the proof. I'm just saying no team should have a large group celebration in the courtside seating area at an away game.

I'd say it's debatable, but we can agree to disagree. We were on the floor. The floor is for players. Fans sitting courtside should cede the floor to the players. But even if we disagree on that point, I think it's probably universally agreeable that our guys never intended to even be near those fans. It just sort of ended up that way.

The real point is that our guys were no threat to any fans, weren't looking to engage with any fans, and that prick inserted himself solely to vent frustration and anger. He is solely to blame for any interaction that took place.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

I don’t think anyone is or has insinuated you believe the Illinois fans actions are justified. Seems more like people take exception with you putting some fault on our players, when it seems that’s not justified. You said that our guys also need to be held accountable for their actions, but to me that insinuates we did something wrong which I don’t believe to be the case.

Well hopefully I've misinterpreted this whole thing in the same way I misinterpreted others' points on the shover. If we were really a reasonable distance away, then I would def change my stance.

 

[VolGee4]

Our celebration traveled into the courtside seating area; that is not debatable. If YTTV didn't have screenshot protection, I would provide the proof. I'm just saying no team should have a large group celebration in the courtside seating area at an away game.

It’s an organic natural celebration. They were celebrating, not getting into fans’ faces and being a threat. Sometimes, players run into or dive into that area. Our team (and the home team) is the reason why fans are there. Sometimes, people get too critical of humans being “human” and doing nothing wrong.

 

[cardvolfan]

Yes really. I’m not looking to get into a long back forth about this, but even if that were the case that this forum would be upset with an equivalent celebration (and I don’t think it is), would that make that response reasonable? The guys were excited and were mobbing Gainey, if they happened to go 18 inches over the out of bounds line, it’s no sin. I’m not overextending the word “literally” when I say the UT players literally did nothing wrong

His normalcy is a lot different than what most of us consider reasonable. He literally would argue with a brick.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

His normalcy is a lot different than what most of us consider reasonable. He literally would argue with a brick.

He’s a good poster. I just think he had a weird take on this. Not really a big deal.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

He’s a good poster. I just think he had a weird take on this. Not really a big deal.

Lies.

 

[FeelVol]

Can’t wait till we get to conference play and can shut up all the Kentucky and Auburn fans that keep screaming “Tennessee ain’t played nobody Pawl!”

Don’t know about Kentucky but I have a feeling the Auburn fans are licking their chops waiting for us to come to that jungle.It’ll be tougher to win there in my opinion than Illinois.

 

[Lefteye]

Yeah, he isn't wrong. Gainey is fine going in a straight line like he did in the final seconds. The issue he has is handling the ball in the halfcourt, whi h is what Underwood was referencing in that moment.

Like to ask him and you in this point, why didn’t they try more pressure/hedge bumps etc to stop it, especially on that last drive. Can’t stand the media, but that’s what I’d have asked him.

Heaven forbid a charge attempt. Glad they didn’t tho…

 

[cncchris33]

Like to ask him and you in this point, why didn’t they try more pressure/hedge bumps etc to stop it, especially on that last drive. Can’t stand the media, but that’s what I’d have asked him.

Heaven forbid a charge attempt. Glad they didn’t tho…

I think that may be what Underwood lamented when he talked about kicking himself for not calling a TO.

 

[omghulkhands]

SIAP

 

[Lefteye]

I think that may be what Underwood lamented when he talked about kicking himself for not calling a TO.

Haven’t listened to all of it but just heard most. Agreed w the TO miss. Liked BU before we played them and still liked him. I’d also be interested in knowing the difference between the sweep foul call he was talking about, if that’s what he heard from the official.

 

[walkenvol]

Don’t know about Kentucky but I have a feeling the Auburn fans are licking their chops waiting for us to come to that jungle.It’ll be tougher to win there in my opinion than Illinois.

Because Auburn is a better team than Illinois

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Found this thread interesting. Rim 2’s and 3 pointers. This is why the NBA has become so boring and borderline unwatchable, IMO. No diversity in how a game is played. The chart really shows just how bad it’s become.

I think this is why I prefer college basketball by a mile. Sure, college athletes try to replicate this to some degree, but it’s imperfect. I think it’s those imperfections that make it more entertaining to watch.

 

[walkenvol]

Our celebration traveled into the courtside seating area; that is not debatable. If YTTV didn't have screenshot protection, I would provide the proof. I'm just saying no team should have a large group celebration in the courtside seating area at an away game.

Trying to understand your position of seating area verses the court. Our guys didn’t appear to be touching any seats. To me, the fan purchased the right to sit in his assigned chair and 1-2’ in front of the seat for his legs/feet. How many feet in front of the front row seats do you consider to be the seating area?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The out of bounds line painted on the court isn’t the dividing line between fan and player real estate. Players cross it to throw the ball inbounds and they aren’t restricted from stepping over the line unless they have the ball.