The Official #16 Tennessee @ Louisiana State Game Thread, 2:00 PM ET, ESPN

#977
#977
RockyTop140 said:
You’re right, but the teams we’ve lost to is what makes it sad. Blown out by a depleted Florida team, Ole miss, and now a blowout loss to LSU. I could live with losses to Alabama and Missouri, those are two good teams. Those other 3 are quite ugly though.
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LSU is 2nd in the conference though, how are they worse than Missouri?
 
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#979
RockyTop140 said:
You’re right, but the teams we’ve lost to is what makes it sad. Blown out by a depleted Florida team, Ole miss, and now a blowout loss to LSU. I could live with losses to Alabama and Missouri, those are two good teams. Those other 3 are quite ugly though.
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Florida and LSU are top 30 KenPom teams. Ole Miss was the worst but they even followed that up with wins over Auburn and Mizzou. Pretty sure all 5 losses are quad 1. They aren’t bad losses in the eyes of the committee.
 
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#981
#981
Jravol78 said:
Pearl had broken a minor rule and got caught lying about it and to my knowledge did not have any enemies @ UT & the AD chose to not even consider fighting for their coach. I will go out on a limb and say that even if Pruitt had a .500 record this year and had not made any enemies @ UT the results would remain unchanged, those results being that the UTAD would bend over and take whatever the NCAA was giving . Now somewhere in the near future the AA may hammer LSU & Wade but the point I was making in my original statement is that currently the UTAD is no better or worse than LSU in cooperating with the AA -vs- telling them to get bent . I guess only time will tell.
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Pearl made his bed after a minor issue that nobody cared about and would have been back page news forgotten after the paper was in the trash. He didn't get fired for cheating. It was only a matter of time before he got stupid again because he was going to put himself in that position again.
Had Wade been fired by LSU it would have been for evidence of a major issue rather than trying to cover it up. And there was plenty enough there to fire him.

None of the 3 are the same. Whether the AA goes after Wade or not or what they do about Pruitt isnt relevant to me from that idea. They have lost all credibility in how they deal with issues. Minor and major. But that still doesn't change my opinion on LSU or Wade.
 
#982
#982
Frozevol said:
My question is with 2 of the top 10 players...why are we barely hanging on as a top 5 team in the SEC?
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Pretty simple answer, there is pretty much zero production from the frontcourt. Pons and Fulkerson are not living up to expectations and outside of them you have ORN, Plavsic, and Anosike who give you nothing. Anosike was just a huge swing and a miss. Hard to fault Barnes for that one. He was seen as one of the top transfers in the market but he is just undersized and literally cannot make a layup and isn’t a D1 caliber player.
 
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#983
#983
TheMookieMonster said:
Barnes infamous “year off” in recruiting is going to take a few years to fix. It’s okay to have one-and-done players, heck we all thought these two meant an E8 or F4 this year. But, when you have an entire recruiting class of Gaines, Pember, ORN, and mid-year enrollee Vescovi you have 3 guys soaking up scholarships that don’t seem like they’ll ever be much of a contributor. Combine those 3 with losing Pons and likely the 2 freshmen, it makes for a rough season in the interim until we can overhaul.

I might get crushed for saying this but we have 4 dead weight scholarships on this team right now—-Anosike, ORN, Pember, and Gaines. I don’t see any of those guys doing much more than chewing clock and giving us a few fouls so you have literally a 3rd of your roster next year giving you nothing.

EDIT: Add Plavsic to that list. So really you have 5 “projects” on the team that aren’t showing much promise for having an eventual payoff.
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You could probably add Walker to this list to, will he ever contribute or is he a bust? I know he was injured, but I remember seeing mention that he came in a little overweight and they arent sure if the work ethic will be there.
But I agree with you, you have to have some projects and 4 years guys and then sprinkle in the Elite 1 or 2 year guys, but it seems like Barnes has missed on all of his projects lately.
Another name I would add is Burns, where would this team be if he was still here and actually was somewhat what he was supposed to be?
 
#986
#986
mr.checkerboards said:
You could probably add Walker to this list to, will he ever contribute or is he a bust? I know he was injured, but I remember seeing mention that he came in a little overweight and they arent sure if the work ethic will be there.
But I agree with you, you have to have some projects and 4 years guys and then sprinkle in the Elite 1 or 2 year guys, but it seems like Barnes has missed on all of his projects lately.
Another name I would add is Burns, where would this team be if he was still here and actually was somewhat what he was supposed to be?
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Jury is still out on Walker. He was a Top-30 player in his class and a 5-star before his injury. Rumor is he is in the dog house with Rick, and that can be hard to get out of just like D.J. Burns. I think Walker is a complete unknown. He could be the next Grant Williams playing that stretch-4 type role or he could be a huge bust. I haven’t seen a single second of him on the court so who really knows.

I know Barnes is a great person, so he is unlikely to do so, but he really needs to have a heart to heart with guys like Pember, Gaines, and Anosike this off-season and tell them it might be best if they look elsewhere and that he will support an immediate approval if they transfer. Those scholarships can be much better used.
 
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Frozevol said:
My question is with 2 of the top 10 players...why are we barely hanging on as a top 5 team in the SEC?
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Why is UK 6-13 with 3 predicted first rounders? Why does Texas have 5 losses with 2 top 22 players? Why is Duke 7-8 with a top 10 player? Why does UF have that many losses with 2 first rounders?

I’m convinced more than ever that top 75 players that develop into very good college players as sophomores/juniors/seniors help you win more than very talented freshmen. You still have to recruit one and dones, but you need a mix on your team. I thought Fulky and Pons would help us do that this year, but I think Fulky is hurt and timid. Pons has been inconsistent.
 
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#988
#988
VolFreakJosh said:
Banchero was paid. That’s not Barnes fault.

Smith was a miss, I’ll admit.

I would have been happy with Cardwell but he’s not a game changer.
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I understand all that, and you can probably infer that Smith got something going to Auburn. But I’m just discussing results as opposed to speculating. Add Jabari Smith next year and we are elite.
 
#990
#990
VolGee4 said:
I understand all that, and you can probably infer that Smith got something going to Auburn. But I’m just discussing results as opposed to speculating. Add Jabari Smith next year and we are elite.
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Barnes is a clean coach.

I think that’s why he misses on some of his top targets because other schools offer “expenses”.

That’s not a knock on Barnes but that’s why it’s difficult to go head to head with the big time schools in recruiting.
 
#991
#991
TheMookieMonster said:
Jury is still out on Walker. He was a Top-30 player in his class and a 5-star before his injury. Rumor is he is in the dog house with Rick, and that can be hard to get out of just like D.J. Burns. I think Walker is a complete unknown. He could be the next Grant Williams playing that stretch-4 type role or he could be a huge bust. I haven’t seen a single second of him on the court so who really knows.

I know Barnes is a great person, so he is unlikely to do so, but he really needs to have a heart to heart with guys like Pember, Gaines, and Anosike this off-season and tell them it might be best if they look elsewhere and that he will support an immediate approval if they transfer. Those scholarships can be much better used.
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I didnt mean to write Walker off, just that him coming in and not contributing early isnt a good sign. The only talk ive heard about him was on the Basillio show a few weeks ago and all TB said was his sources told him that he wasnt ready whatever that means.
I agree on those guys probably do need to look around, but who is out there?
 
#996
#996
Basketball team success will come down to Tournament runs, if this team rolls through their bracket in March no one will care about losses in the regular season.

The frustration is that when we’re clicking we are unbeatable, but we’ve also seen even in a few wins how tough it can be to win if we’re not.
 
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#999
BeecherVol said:
Pearl made his bed after a minor issue that nobody cared about and would have been back page news forgotten after the paper was in the trash. He didn't get fired for cheating. It was only a matter of time before he got stupid again because he was going to put himself in that position again.
Had Wade been fired by LSU it would have been for evidence of a major issue rather than trying to cover it up. And there was plenty enough there to fire him.

None of the 3 are the same. Whether the AA goes after Wade or not or what they do about Pruitt isnt relevant to me from that idea. They have lost all credibility in how they deal with issues. Minor and major. But that still doesn't change my opinion on LSU or Wade.
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Yeah I’m actually not trying to argue with you here, to me the NCAA never had any credibility to begin with . In my opinion the organization is a hypocritical paper tiger yet the UTAD seems to view them as a judge, jury & executioner . They may put the AU’s & the LSU’s of their world in their place one day and hand out major penalties but given the elapsed time between when the allegations were made and now I doubt it. AU imposed a post season ban in a year that they most likely would not have qualified for anyway. What Wade & LSU did was / is so unethical that LSU should have sh*t canned him regardless of what the AA has to say on the matter . IMO what Pearl did @ AU should also fall under that same category but Pearson took the fall. AU told the AA to pound sand & Pearl took AU to the final 4. That isn’t to say that it may not be vacated but as it stands it is still on the books as such and even if it us vacated the memory will not be removed from the players & fans .

The reality remains that in every instance from innocuous to blatant the UTAD always bows to the AA and other than maybe being able to claim that their ethics remained intact they have nothing to show for it. Meanwhile Will Wade just recorded another victory and AU’s FF banner is still hanging from the rafters . My point was that in the grand scheme of things some fans may take solace in doing things the right way in the eyes of the AA but the vast majority of fans would prefer the FF banner hanging from the rafters .
 
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