The Official 2024 NFL Season Thread

#226
#226
BernardKingGOAT said:
Rodgers still has elite arm talent
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As a Packers fan for almost 30 years, I’d disagree with this. He lost ‘elite’ status a few years back in my eyes. He’s been on the decline since 2018 or so (and yes, I’m aware that he won two MVP’s after that). Peak Aaron was 2011 to 2016ish or so.

Still dangerous, but not elite anymore in my opinion (at least as far as his arm is concerned). I’d be surprised if he won anything more than his division with the Jets.
 
#227
#227
n_huffhines said:
My philosophy is when you are the better team and have favorable conditions (like home field), you always take the points early in the game.

I don't see the point of grinding the other team down the field only to end up with 0 points and all the momentum going the other way now. You're better than them. No need to take gambles early.

Their expected win probability probably shoots up as home favorites if they start the game up 3-0. Instead they started down 0-3.
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Agree, completely. But, that was a great call, kinda reminds me of the 4th down to Shawn Bryson against FSU in the Fiesta Bowl, but Bryson caught it and Barkley should have, also. But, I understand running the ball and the clock. But, if he catches it and it was a very easy catch, Game Over.
 
#228
#228
Charlie Kelly said:
As a Packers fan for almost 30 years, I’d disagree with this. He lost ‘elite’ status a few years back in my eyes. He’s been on the decline since 2018 or so (and yes, I’m aware that he won two MVP’s after that). Peak Aaron was 2011 to 2016ish or so.

Still dangerous, but not elite anymore in my opinion (at least as far as his arm is concerned). I’d be surprised if he won anything more than his division with the Jets.
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He still makes throws only a handful can. Even better, only a handful will try
 
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#230
#230
The Dog said:
Agree, completely. But, that was a great call, kinda reminds me of the 4th down to Shawn Bryson against FSU in the Fiesta Bowl, but Bryson caught it and Barkley should have, also. But, I understand running the ball and the clock. But, if he catches it and it was a very easy catch, Game Over.
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I was talking about the 1st quarter choice to go for on 4th and 4 instead of kicking a 30 yard FG. If they had kicked there, then they're kicking for a 9-pt lead on the drive you're talking about
 
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#231
#231
n_huffhines said:
I was talking about the 1st quarter choice to go for on 4th and 4 instead of kicking a 30 yard FG. If they had kicked there, then they're kicking for a 9-pt lead on the drive you're talking about
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Yeah, I mentioned that in my first post and was agreeing with you. I was just saying if Barkley catches it, it's a moot point.
 
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#233
#233
I think everybody is kinda right about Rodgers. It has been a while since we've seen him throw well, but he also has good (injury) excuses.

I don't like what I see this year. Could just be ring rust, but it's likely he doesn't have an elite arm anymore. Doesn't mean he won't be doing more "Rodgers" things as he gets more comfortable this year.
 
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#234
#234
BernardKingGOAT said:
He still makes throws only a handful can. Even better, only a handful will try
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Oh, I agree with that. I just think that’s more due to his head than his arm. He sees the game as well as any quarterback in NFL history.

However, I’d say he physically started to decline around 2018 or 2019. I can’t give you a specific date or game but I remember that’s around the time I started noticing he didn’t have as much zip on the longer throws. By the time he finally left/was pushed out, I was ready to move on.
 
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#235
#235
n_huffhines said:
My philosophy is when you are the better team and have favorable conditions (like home field), you always take the points early in the game.

I don't see the point of grinding the other team down the field only to end up with 0 points and all the momentum going the other way now. You're better than them. No need to take gambles early.

Their expected win probability probably shoots up as home favorites if they start the game up 3-0. Instead they started down 0-3.
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I was afraid not taking the easy field goal early was a mistake. I always prefer getting points early and not coming away empty. The pass to Barkley was a very risky decision and shouldn’t have been called. The play was there and the throw was fairly easy to catch, however, you can’t afford to stop the clock with a drop. Run the ball twice and you likely get the first down and end the game. I’m still mad about how that game ended.
 
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#236
#236
In case you saw the viral stat* that desperately needed context, here is the context:



*17 INT's overturned is most since 2018
 
#237
#237
n_huffhines said:
I think everybody is kinda right about Rodgers. It has been a while since we've seen him throw well, but he also has good (injury) excuses.

I don't like what I see this year. Could just be ring rust, but it's likely he doesn't have an elite arm anymore. Doesn't mean he won't be doing more "Rodgers" things as he gets more comfortable this year.
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Took it up a notch tonight
 
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#240
www.theringer.com

A Sports Mystery: What Happened to the NFL Quarterback?

Robert Mays joins Derek to explore the evolution of the quarterback position, why passing is down, and much more
www.theringer.com www.theringer.com

This pod is really interesting and goes pretty deep, but here is the high-level view:

Cover 2 has returned - not only is cover 2 back, but the disguises are incredible. Peyton used to know the coverage as he was walking up to the LOS and now you're not even sure what it is as you're snapping the ball. Also, there are better athletes on D now, specifically DL vs. OL. OL play requires unnatural movement and cohesiveness (and there is less practice time). So you got 5 guys who haven't practiced enough under the new rules going against 8 fresh guys who are getting rotated for specific situations.

Young QB's - because of the rookie max scale, young QB's have become much more attractive. A 1st rd pick is more affordable than a middling QB. Remember when Schaub was traded and got paid pretty good money to go to the Texans when he had never been a starter?...that would never happen today. A team would just gamble on a rookie QB.
 
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#241
#241
n_huffhines said:
www.theringer.com

A Sports Mystery: What Happened to the NFL Quarterback?

Robert Mays joins Derek to explore the evolution of the quarterback position, why passing is down, and much more
www.theringer.com www.theringer.com

This pod is really interesting and goes pretty deep, but here is the high-level view:

Cover 2 has returned - not only is cover 2 back, but the disguises are incredible. Peyton used to know the coverage as he was walking up to the LOS and now you're not even sure what it is as you're snapping the ball. Also, there are better athletes on D now, specifically DL vs. OL. OL play requires unnatural movement and cohesiveness (and there is less practice time). So you got 5 guys who haven't practiced enough under the new rules going against 8 fresh guys who are getting rotated for specific situations.

Young QB's - because of the rookie max scale, young QB's have become much more attractive. A 1st rd pick is more affordable than a middling QB. Remember when Schaub was traded and got paid pretty good money to go to the Texans when he had never been a starter?...that would never happen today. A team would just gamble on a rookie QB.
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Rodgers talked about it in some detail today when discussing coverages Garrett Wilson is experiencing. Because he was already aware of it, he conducted a clinic last night against it. 🤭
 
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#244
#244
The Eagles mistakes are keeping the Saints in this game. Hurts threw an interception in the end zone and fumbled on another drive. Then there are 14 seconds left in easy field goal range and they go for it on 4th down rather than take the field goal. Of course they don’t convert and the Saints lead 3-0 at the half. I was furious when that happened. You’d think they would have learned from last week about passing up points.
 
#245
#245
The Eagles but together a late drive to retake the lead and the defense ended the game with an interception. It’s been a good football weekend.
 
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