The Official Larry Fedora Thread I

#476
#476
You should obviously let one game be your entire judgment of a coach. Nick Saban sucks because he lost to UL-Monroe his first year.
 
#477
#477
RichRollin said:
In all fairness, UNC was a tough situation for any coach to take over when he did. And they've lost basically everyone to the NFL that Davis and crew brought in. His talent (besides the RB) was average to good.
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It is, but they did have talent back. It wasn't anything like Penn State's exodus of talent. Fedora had a solid year, but he's never had a DC apparently.
 
#478
#478
T.N. Buckingham said:
I like most of what he did at Southern Miss. But that performance the year after he left concerns me. Not everything going down with an 0-12 program is the fault of a first-year head coach. Some of the responsibility has to rest with the talent-level the previous coach left behind. I'd want someone to actually talk to folks down in Hattiesburg and find out how much of the fault rests with Johnson and how much is on Fedora.

This being said, Fedora did fine work getting those UNC kids to buy in to what he was trying to do in the face of a ban from post-season competition.

Definitely warrants a look. The overall resume is impressive.
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I've lived in south ms since 2008 and this is what I know about fedora:

1. He had a very efficient offense scheme and his teams were competitive on both sides of the ball.

2. USM fans loved him and knew he was going to eventually leave bc they understand USM is a stepping stone school.

3. USM usually got the leftover MS recruits after LSU, UA, Ole Miss, and MSU. However, ms has outstanding HS and juco football talent, so those leftovers were pretty solid. Fedora did land USM's only 5 star recruit---Deandre Brown. Brown picked USM over LSU and had a very promising career before attitude problems found him in fedora's doghouse (note: this is important to note that fedora benched his best player bc he thought he was bigger than the team. Big plus for fedora in my opinion).

4. This year's USM team went 0-12. Fedora's last team flirted with a potential BCS bowl appearance before losing a late season game to UAB. After that loss, they destroyed top 10 ranked u of Houston in the CUSA championship game (played at Houston). Part of the reason fedora was so successful this year was bc the 5th year senior qb running his spread offense. The 2012 disaster of a season was caused by a combination of breaking in a new qb, the loss of fedora, and Johnson's deficiencies as a hc. USM fired Johnson after the last game. All this to say that fedora didn't leave USM without players. However, he did leave at the perfect time since there was no chance he could have duplicated the 2011 success while breaking in a new QB in 2012.

In conclusion, I believe fedora would be an excellent hire for us. He has an OC background and has been successful as a HC. He is also young and his players apparently love him. He may not be the sexy hire, but would us competing with everyone on our schedule (including bama) in 3 years. I'm hoping for fedora if we can't get a hr hire (gruden).
 
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#479
govols120 said:
You should obviously let one game be your entire judgment of a coach. Nick Saban sucks because he lost to UL-Monroe his first year.
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I know right. People didn't want Steele as DC because of the WVU BCS game. Steele>>>>>Sal's greasy azz. Every coach has epic losses. I remember Chavis giving up 59 in the swamp in 07'. His defense was 4th nationally in 08'. Would have been 1st nationally if the D didn't have to play the entire game due to the Clawfense. Gotta think big picture/long term. Fadora has potential. JMO
 
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#481
MSCE09 said:
Even Saban isn't getting much higher than 3* to Southern Miss. Plus almost everyone agrees that Ellis Johnson was just really bad.
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May well be. But I'd still want to know why 2012 was so radically-different from 2011.

Where does the fault rest with Johnson? And where does it rest with Fedora?

The best-case scenario: Johnson tried to force schemes on personnel who didn't fit or understand the systems he was trying to install at USM.

In that case, there isn't much you can blame Fedora on here. The blame rests with an athletic director choosing to replace a successful coach with someone whose ideas were completely different.
 
#482
#482
We have offense. WE NEED DEFENSE. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. I like Fedora, but Charlie Strong is who we need right now. Also, Southern Miss returned 13 starters, so they had some of that talent back.
 
#483
#483
OrangeHammer said:
We have offense. WE NEED DEFENSE. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. I like Fedora, but Charlie Strong is who we need right now. Also, Southern Miss returned 13 starters, so they had some of that talent back.
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I don't disagree at all. IMO, Fadora and Strong are about even in my eyes. I would take either one and support them with everything I've got until they give me a reason not to.
 
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#484
govols120 said:
You should obviously let one game be your entire judgment of a coach. Nick Saban sucks because he lost to UL-Monroe his first year.
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No, Fedora regularly had teams with no D. He was mr. 7-6 a year until he had a great year and bumped up. He lost to Strong, Cutcliffe, and GA Tech all in one year! 2 meh candidates and a school that UGA held to 3 pts until a late garbage TD.
 
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#486
perico said:
No, Fedora regularly had teams with no D. He was mr. 7-6 a year until he had a great year and bumped up. He lost to Strong, Cutcliffe, and GA Tech all in one year! 2 meh candidates and a school that UGA held to 3 pts until a late garbage TD.
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He stomped the guys out of Sumlin in the Conference USA championship game. Houston was ranked 6th and basically guaranteed a BCS bid with a win. I remember the game, it was a straight beat down. 49-28.
 
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#487
Vol-n-MS said:
I've lived in south ms since 2008 and this is what I know about fedora:

1. He had a very efficient offense scheme and his teams were competitive on both sides of the ball.

2. USM fans loved him and knew he was going to eventually leave bc they understand USM is a stepping stone school.

3. USM usually got the leftover MS recruits after LSU, UA, Ole Miss, and MSU. However, ms has outstanding HS and juco football talent, so those leftovers were pretty solid. Fedora did land USM's only 5 star recruit---Deandre Brown. Brown picked USM over LSU and had a very promising career before attitude problems found him in fedora's doghouse (note: this is important to note that fedora benched his best player bc he thought he was bigger than the team. Big plus for fedora in my opinion).

4. This year's USM team went 0-12. Fedora's last team flirted with a potential BCS bowl appearance before losing a late season game to UAB. After that loss, they destroyed top 10 ranked u of Houston in the CUSA championship game (played at Houston). Part of the reason fedora was so successful this year was bc the 5th year senior qb running his spread offense. The 2012 disaster of a season was caused by a combination of breaking in a new qb, the loss of fedora, and Johnson's deficiencies as a hc. USM fired Johnson after the last game. All this to say that fedora didn't leave USM without players. However, he did leave at the perfect time since there was no chance he could have duplicated the 2011 success while breaking in a new QB in 2012.

In conclusion, I believe fedora would be an excellent hire for us. He has an OC background and has been successful as a HC. He is also young and his players apparently love him. He may not be the sexy hire, but would us competing with everyone on our schedule (including bama) in 3 years. I'm hoping for fedora if we can't get a hr hire (gruden).
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Where you live man?
 
#491
#491
Vol-n-MS said:
Haven't met any ut fans down here yet. Too bad we didn't make a bowl game. I'd suggest trying to coordinate some VN people in the area to get together to watch. Maybe next season.
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Theres a guy that lives in laurel and another in hattiesburg that are menbers here. We will have to try and get together next season
 
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#494
I'll be honest. I think it's hypocritical to have gotten pissed about Kiffin leaving after a year and then turn around and do the same thing to another school.
 
#495
#495
golfballs said:
I'll be honest. I think it's hypocritical to have gotten pissed about Kiffin leaving after a year and then turn around and do the same thing to another school.
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This. I honestly don't hate on Kiffin for leaving us anymore, more so that he's a really douchey guy and USC is a really douchey university.
 
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#497
UTK said:
Why? He's not exactly proven at a big time program, I want someone who is. Thats all.
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Someone proven at a big time program won't be looking at UT, just sayin'. You need an up and comer.

All the guys that ARE proven, were once up and comers.
 
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#499
golfballs said:
I'll be honest. I think it's hypocritical to have gotten pissed about Kiffin leaving after a year and then turn around and do the same thing to another school.
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Kiffin left in February. That's the big deal. Not just "was here one year."

Buzz came here after one year at Tulsa, no one cared.
 
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