The Official Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist Thread

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#801
SpaceCoastVol said:
No, not really. You advocate a complete dismantling of the .gov whereas I do not. I just want to see it in the role it was designed to play, not a cradle to grave nanny.

And you talking about "facing reality" is humorous at a minimum if not downright hilarious.
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I mean that it doesn't matter what the intended role of government is. A strong central government will always become big government. That's reality.
 
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n_huffhines said:
At best, someone might be rich enough to buy a small army and try to buck the system, but they will be crushed by protection agencies.

A protection agency is profitable because it minimizes costs. Part of minimizing cost would be minimizing the cost of enforcement. Playing by the rules is easily the best way to minimize cost. Instead of your agents arresting my clients, I will have my clients turn themselves in, and you would do the same. It lowers the cost of business for all parties involved.

Once you start bucking the system and fighting just claims, your entire cost structure will change. You are no longer a protection agency. You are a mercenary force, and protection agencies will wipe you out.
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And you believe somehow that these protection agencies are immune to corruption.... wow.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I mean that it doesn't matter what the intended role of government is. A strong central government will always become big government. That's reality.
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Again, you talking about reality all the while building this little fantasy anarchy world is downright laughable. However... in this instance you are right that a central .gov will always become a big one. Now stay in the real world and tell me with a straight face that your anarchy world will be better... :loco:
 
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n_huffhines said:
At best, someone might be rich enough to buy a small army and try to buck the system, but they will be crushed by protection agencies.

A protection agency is profitable because it minimizes costs. Part of minimizing cost would be minimizing the cost of enforcement. Playing by the rules is easily the best way to minimize cost. Instead of your agents arresting my clients, I will have my clients turn themselves in, and you would do the same. It lowers the cost of business for all parties involved.

Once you start bucking the system and fighting just claims, your entire cost structure will change. You are no longer a protection agency. You are a mercenary force, and protection agencies will wipe you out.
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Then to hell with your agency. I'll pay one that will protect me. Plus once you hand me over my payments stop.

See how that works.
 
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#806
hog88 said:
What rules? It's Anarchy remember.
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hog88 said:
Then to hell with your agency. I'll pay one that will protect me. Plus once you hand me over my payments stop.

See how that works.
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You're not in a position to negotiate. If you did something worthy of incarceration, they can assume your payment will stop. They cooperate because they want others to cooperate with them when the roles are reversed.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're not in a position to negotiate. If you did something worthy of incarceration, they can assume your payment will stop. They cooperate because they want others to cooperate with them when the roles are reversed.
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When you get the rep of turning on you're clients, I'll advertise that I wont. Take all of you're business and give you a :the_finger:
 
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hog88 said:
When you get the rep of turning on you're clients, I'll advertise that I wont. Take all of you're business and give you a :the_finger:
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You can't not cooperate. Cooperation is what you do as a business. If your company does not cooperate, it's basically free reign on your clients. Nobody will help to enforce property crimes against your clients if your company does not cooperate with others.

Essentially, you can't provide them with protection, which is why they would give you money, so they're not going to give you any money.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You can't not cooperate. Cooperation is what you do as a business. If your company does not cooperate, it's basically free reign on your clients. Nobody will help to enforce property crimes against your clients if your company does not cooperate with others.

Essentially, you can't provide them with protection, which is why they would give you money, so they're not going to give you any money.
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Nope, I'm not cooperating with anyone and will ensure complete protection to my clients. Mess with my clients and I'll bring the fires of hell down on you. Of course I'd minimize cost by only offering services to an exclusive clientele list that could and would pay for premium protection. I wouldn't mess with the riffraff who could only afford an agency that would turn on them.
 
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How are you guys going to cooperate long enough to build roads for your protection agencies to travel on in order to enforce your contracts?
 
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MG1968 said:
How are you guys going to cooperate long enough to build roads for your protection agencies to travel on in order to enforce your contracts?
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I'm going to force his clients into "humane" work camps to pay off their debt. They will build and maintain the roads and other infrastructure.
 
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hog88 said:
Nope, I'm not cooperating with anyone and will ensure complete protection to my clients. Mess with my clients and I'll bring the fires of hell down on you. Of course I'd minimize cost by only offering services to an exclusive clientele list that could and would pay for premium protection. I wouldn't mess with the riffraff who could only afford an agency that would turn on them.
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You can't guarantee that type of protection. You will not stay in business.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm going to force his clients into "humane" work camps to pay off their debt. They will build and maintain the roads and other infrastructure.
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The correct answer is that profit-seeking entities will build the roads. It's likely they will build better/safer roads than the government does.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You can't guarantee that type of protection. You will not stay in business.
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Yes I can. Why wouldn't I be able to? I'd invest in the best equipment, people and training. I would only sign exclusive (rich) clients who would be happy to pay my exorbitant fees for complete piece of mind.
 
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#818
BTW, James J Hill built a private railroad in the face of government built railroads. The whole point of government built railroads was that private entrepreneurs would never build them.

Hill built a railroad despite the fact that there were existing railroads, crushing the notion that the market wouldn't supply it. History ignores this example and continues to ask, "who will build the roads?"

James J. Hill: Transforming the American Northwest : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education
 
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n_huffhines said:
The correct answer is that profit-seeking entities will build the roads. It's likely they will build better/safer roads than the government does.
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How will these entities establish rights-of-way in order to build roads?
 
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But also consider you need to look outside the world we live in for alternatives....maybe cities get built up instead of out and everything is within walking distance so most people don't own cars....or maybe there is a whole new mode of transportation that doesn't exist today. Roads as we know them seem necessary, but it's conceivable under different circumstances that they aren't at all necessary. We're basically at a point where amazon can deliver groceries to your door with drones.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But also consider you need to look outside the world we live in for alternatives....maybe cities get built up instead of out and everything is within walking distance so most people don't own cars....or maybe there is a whole new mode of transportation that doesn't exist today. Roads as we know them seem necessary, but it's conceivable under different circumstances that they aren't at all necessary. We're basically at a point where amazon can deliver groceries to your door with drones.
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So we're now talking well into the future?
 
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