The Official Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist Thread

#828
#828
Thrasher865 said:
How do you figure? Goodwill?
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You have to minimize cost to stay in business. Bucking the system is not tolerated. You will be snuffed out immediately for bad behavior. Protection agencies aren't going to wait around for you to get big and bad enough to cause them real problems. You misbehave at all and you're toast.
 
#829
#829
hog88 said:
Amazon going to airdrop heating oil to houses in the NE?
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There are literally no other solutions you can think of?
I'm willing to bet you're smart enough to come up with alternatives.

That being said, roads strictly/mostly for commercial purposes is a possibility.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There are literally no other solutions you can think of?
I'm willing to bet you're smart enough to come up with alternatives.

That being said, roads strictly/mostly for commercial purposes is a possibility.
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Let's see;

Roads - but private roads would be expensive as hell to drive on or be so zigzaggy as to be not viable. Plus security would cost out the yang.
Pipelines - but same as roads minus the need to secure every load
Sea - but then again you have to have land based infrastructure to deliver inland

Nope, don't guess I'm smart enough to figure out alternatives to delivering heating oil to a house in the North East.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You have to minimize cost to stay in business. Bucking the system is not tolerated. You will be snuffed out immediately for bad behavior. Protection agencies aren't going to wait around for you to get big and bad enough to cause them real problems. You misbehave at all and you're toast.
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You still haven't explained to me how I couldn't stay n business with an exclusive clientele.
 
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hog88 said:
Let's see;

Roads - but private roads would be expensive as hell to drive on or be so zigzaggy as to be not viable. Plus security would cost out the yang.
Pipelines - but same as roads minus the need to secure every load
Sea - but then again you have to have land based infrastructure to deliver inland

Nope, don't guess I'm smart enough to figure out alternatives to delivering heating oil to a house in the North East.
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Why do you assume private roads would be more expensive than government roads? I think that's a false assumption.

I would say you are afraid of facing the true cost. If it's too expensive to live in NE, people shouldn't live there. Subsidized living isn't a a good reason for government, not a conservative reason for it, anyway.
 
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hog88 said:
You still haven't explained to me how I couldn't stay n business with an exclusive clientele.
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I don't know what else there is to explain. Your entire business model advertises that your clients can do whatever they want, free of consequence. You're like that guy from the security firm that declared war on hackers. You can't win when it's you vs the world. He was ruined in no time. You are asking for every security company to show up at your door, armed to the teeth with your business model. You are declaring open war on them, by your very existence. It's not going to work out for you.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why do you assume private roads would be more expensive than government roads? I think that's a false assumption.

I would say you are afraid of facing the true cost. If it's too expensive to live in NE, people shouldn't live there. Subsidized living isn't a a good reason for government, not a conservative reason for it, anyway.
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I dare say with private roads you most likely would not see all these construction projects that take 5 years to finish.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why do you assume private roads would be more expensive than government roads? I think that's a false assumption.

I would say you are afraid of facing the true cost. If it's too expensive to live in NE, people shouldn't live there. Subsidized living isn't a a good reason for government, not a conservative reason for it, anyway.
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1. How would they not be? Take land acquisition to start with, without emanate domain your for profit companies would have to pay whatever the land owner demanded or find alternative routes for the road. That would drive costs through the roof alone and eliminate any savings from not having to deal with govt regulations.

2. Great, everyone moves out of the North East down to the sunbelt into big metropolises. How ya going to feed them? Farmers set their prices at whatever they want, they have the food so they don't need your money unless you're willing to pay the asking price. Then of course you have the issue of moving the food?
 
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theFallGuy said:
I dare say with private roads you most likely would not see all these construction projects that take 5 years to finish.
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No matter what, there are going to be pros and cons. Like I live in one of the few places on a legitimate grid system. That's less likely without top-down management, so I would have to give that up. But....what if an alternative system eliminates traffic jams, altogether? Maybe it takes you on windier routes, and maybe you have to pay for use (rather than pay and use or don't use), but if you don't waste 4 hours per week in traffic, maybe no government is a pretty good idea.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't know what else there is to explain. Your entire business model advertises that your clients can do whatever they want, free of consequence. You're like that guy from the security firm that declared war on hackers. You can't win when it's you vs the world. He was ruined in no time. You are asking for every security company to show up at your door, armed to the teeth with your business model. You are declaring open war on them, by your very existence. It's not going to work out for you.
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Wouldn't have to defeat the world, just the first couple that tried, and when I say defeat I mean destroy completely. Yeah, risky for sure but once you obliterate the first couple the rest would be too scared to try, what would their stockholders say about such a risky venture?
 
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hog88 said:
1. How would they not be? Take land acquisition to start with, without emanate domain your for profit companies would have to pay whatever the land owner demanded or find alternative routes for the road. That would drive costs through the roof alone and eliminate any savings from not having to deal with govt regulations.

2. Great, everyone moves out of the North East down to the sunbelt into big metropolises. How ya going to feed them? Farmers set their prices at whatever they want, they have the food so they don't need your money unless you're willing to pay the asking price. Then of course you have the issue of moving the food?
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Well, I value property rights and am against eminent domain, so #1 isn't a problem for me.

Why does moving everyone to the sun belt create population problems? There is enough room in Texas for everyone in the world to have 0.25 acres. Surely we can comfortably fit our entire population in the sun belt.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, I value property rights and am against eminent domain, so #1 isn't a problem for me.

Why does moving everyone to the sun belt create population problems? There is enough room in Texas for everyone in the world to have 0.25 acres. Surely we can comfortably fit our entire population in the sun belt.
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hog88 said:
Wouldn't have to defeat the world, just the first couple that tried, and when I say defeat I mean destroy completely. Yeah, risky for sure but once you obliterate the first couple the rest would be too scared to try, what would their stockholders say about such a risky venture?
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I don't think the protection agencies are showing up at your gates ready to seize your property like a bunch of goons. It's most likely a covert operation where they took your CEO and board of executives in the middle of the night. Maybe you are protecting yourself against that, but have fun living the rest of your life like that. The protection agencies will minimize cost and wait for their opportune moment to get you.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think the protection agencies are showing up at your gates ready to seize your property like a bunch of goons. It's most likely a covert operation where they took your CEO and board of executives in the middle of the night. Maybe you are protecting yourself against that, but have fun living the rest of your life like that. The protection agencies will minimize cost and wait for their opportune moment to get you.
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Since we are off in fantasy land creating our own utopias, not living in reality. My firm can beat up your firm and will be the nastiest meanest SOBs out there. :p
 
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#842
It's not supposed to be a utopia.

The "my firm can beat up all the firms" argument is absurd. I don't pretend that anarchy is a perfect system. A lot of the same problems we face with government would still exist under anarchy. We just get rid of the problems created by government, under anarchy. It's not a utopia. It's not perfect. It's just a system that excludes the biggest problem-maker.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's not supposed to be a utopia.

The "my firm can beat up all the firms" argument is absurd. I don't pretend that anarchy is a perfect system. A lot of the same problems we face with government would still exist under anarchy. We just get rid of the problems created by government, under anarchy. It's not a utopia. It's not perfect. It's just a system that excludes the biggest problem-maker.
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Anarchy will exacerbate the problems we have with government 100 times over.
 
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hog88 said:
Since we are off in fantasy land creating our own utopias, not living in reality. My firm can beat up your firm and will be the nastiest meanest SOBs out there. :p
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I figure we can work out the Arkansas-Oklahoma alliance in advance.

We'll get to New Mexico eventually...
 
#846
#846
Grand Vol said:
I figure we can work out the Arkansas-Oklahoma alliance in advance.

We'll get to New Mexico eventually...
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Arkansas would be on the top of my list to destroy. I'd run all the people out and turn it into a game preserve for my clients.




My only association with AR is my in-laws.
 
#847
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hog88 said:
Arkansas would be on the top of my list to destroy. I'd run all the people out and turn it into a game preserve for my clients.




My only association with AR is my in-laws.
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Weapons testing ground with moving targets?
 
#849
#849
n_huffhines said:
What are the problems with government that would be exacerbated by ancap? Your top 3?
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1) no civil rights
2) economic Armageddon since there would be complete chaos and instability through out the world
3) total destruction of the infrastructure
 
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hog88 said:
1) no civil rights
2) economic Armageddon since there would be complete chaos and instability through out the world
3) total destruction of the infrastructure
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Those are 3 problems you have with government that will be exacerbated in the absence of government?

1) the government is the one who takes away our civil rights. What makes you think civil rights would be more threatened in the absence of the biggest threat to them?
2) what would cause economic armageddon, exactly? what economic stability does government guarantee?
3) Total destruction of infrastructure...not even sure what that means. Like we won't have internet or gas? You really think we can't solve these simple problems without government?
 
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