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Your problem is the belief that Islam is completely incompatible with the dominant culture.

Prior to us arming Islamic terrorists, there was no Islamic terrorist problem.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Your problem is the belief that Islam is completely incompatible with the dominant culture.

Prior to us arming Islamic terrorists, there was no Islamic terrorist problem.
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How far back are you going there?

I agree we created a lot of our own issues with arming the Mujahadeen and the Arab Spring, but are you saying we've been arming Hezbollah and Hamas?
 
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Godfatha said:
How far back are you going there?

I agree we created a lot of our own issues with arming the Mujahadeen and the Arab Spring, but are you saying we've been arming Hezbollah and Hamas?
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You must be one of those "Israel can do no wrong types"

Israel, by Israels own admission, created Hezbollah.

I'm also unaware of any Hamas or Hezbollah lead attacks on the US.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Your problem is the belief that Islam is completely incompatible with the dominant culture.

Prior to us arming Islamic terrorists, there was no Islamic terrorist problem.
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I'm not a "bash all things Islam guy," like some on here, but how do you figure this? Keep in mind that what you're referring to specifically (I assume) is the modern manifestation of Islamic "terrorism," the one that was largely created in the 60s and 70s out of Palestine.

Islamic "terrorism," as such, is not just confined to this modern phenomenon though.
 
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volprof said:
I'm not a "bash all things Islam guy," like some on here, but how do you figure this? Keep in mind that what you're referring to specifically (I assume) is the modern manifestation of Islamic "terrorism," the one that was largely created in the 60s and 70s out of Palestine.

Islamic "terrorism," as such, is not just confined to this modern phenomenon though.
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I'm primarily talking about attacks on America. Which were created as a response to our presence.

If you want to talk about Hamas and other groups operating in Palestine, that's a problem of Israel. Not ours.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
So, I've been thinking about immigration in response to the Germany sexual assault scandal and much of Europe in general during the immigration crisis.

I generally have agreed that freedom of movement is a fundamental right given but I also think that it's not unreasonable for the individuals within an area to expect those they let in abide by rules and laws that don't violate the NAP, but how do you handle the mass importation of people who bring along a culture that is completely and utterly incompatible with the dominant culture of the area? Combine that with the fact that many many of the migrants are economic migrants and will be initiating the use of force because by and large these people will end up using taxpayer funded assistance and it begs the question, "is it morally reprehensible to see the chaos and degradation happening due to this importation of an incompatible culture and decide to initiate the use of force and restrict that freedom of movement?"
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In my early grad school years, I was the biggest mouthbreathing ultraliberal that ever walked the planet, although I meant well. I was one of those "open borders" types, walking around all day, talking to myself how dumb everyone else was for not understanding the simple concept that borders are "so arbitrary." God, what a dumbass I was. Thankfully I grew up out of that intellectual phase of my life and came to realize that no, in fact, borders are not arbitrary in any shape, form, or fashion.

It's kind of funny too, because, in high school, under the influence of my heavily conservative upbringing gone awry, I was a religious theocrat that thought America should be a Christian theocracy. I think my grad school years were largely a radical reaction to my ultraconservatism.

I've really been through the entire spectrum of political thought. Luckily, I'm happily married now to the most beautiful gal in the whole wide world - moderatism. Tits as pretty as you please.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I'm primarily talking about attacks on America. Which were created as a response to our presence.

If you want to talk about Hamas and other groups operating in Palestine, that's a problem of Israel. Not ours.
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Oh, okay. Well, that's a bit different topic. Yes, I'd largely agree with you in that case. I think it's fairly obvious that if the US wasn't involved in the Middle East, then Islamic radicals wouldn't care about us.

Unfortunately, we have to be involved in the Middle East, as long as oil is valuable. It's a part of great power struggle, which began before the Cold War and has continued after it.

We certainly don't have to be as involved as we have been though. That is clear.
 
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volprof said:
Oh, okay. Well, that's a bit different topic. Yes, I'd largely agree with you in that case. I think it's fairly obvious that if the US wasn't involved in the Middle East, then Islamic radicals wouldn't care about us.
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I wouldn't go that far.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You must be one of those "Israel can do no wrong types"

Israel, by Israels own admission, created Hezbollah.

I'm also unaware of any Hamas or Hezbollah lead attacks on the US.
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Nope, I don't think Israel has been squeaky clean.

while we are making basic assumptions, you must be one of those "the US is at fault for all the world's ills" types.
 
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Godfatha said:
Nope, I don't think Israel has been squeaky clean.

while we are making basic assumptions, you must be one of those "the US is at fault for all the world's ills" types.
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Not at all. I'm one of those "if we stayed out of the Middle East to begin with, terrorist attacks wouldn't be an issue" kinda guys.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I'm primarily talking about attacks on America. Which were created as a response to our presence.

If you want to talk about Hamas and other groups operating in Palestine, that's a problem of Israel. Not ours.
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How old are you? I'm old enough to remember terrorist attacks before there was an al-quaeda or Isis.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Not at all. I'm one of those "if we stayed out of the Middle East to begin with, terrorist attacks wouldn't be an issue" kinda guys.
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I tend to not be that far off from the stance that we should say F the Middle East and let it sort itself out. But I'm also in favor of restricting immigration from that region too. I don't want their problems here.

But you got to admit the ME was a ****hole before our involvement there.
 
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Godfatha said:
I tend to not be that far off from the stance that we should say F the Middle East and let it sort itself out. But I'm also in favor of restricting immigration from that region too. I don't want their problems here.

But you got to admit the ME was a ****hole before our involvement there.
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I don't disagree. I just believe it was a **** hole that left us alone.

Limiting immigration from their countries, why? Plenty of people are trying to flee the violence there.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I don't disagree. I just believe it was a **** hole that left us alone.

Limiting immigration from their countries, why? Plenty of people are trying to flee the violence there.
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Because I don't want their problems here. Simple as that.
 
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Godfatha said:
Pan Am 103, Iranian Hostage Crisis, numerous hijackings in the 70s and 80s, the attack on Beirut, I can go on but don't feel like googling for you atm.
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Pam Am directly related to our involvement in the Middle East.

The Iranaian hostage crisis was a revolution caused by us overthrowing their government to begin with.
 
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Godfatha said:
Because I don't want their problems here. Simple as that.
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It's simple fear mongering. This "they don't look like us, they don't pray like us, fear them" rhetoric.

The only thing we should fear is government leaders who want to limit free speech and establish laws regarding religion.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It's simple fear mongering. This "they don't look like us, they don't pray like us, fear them" rhetoric.

The only thing we should fear is government leaders who want to limit free speech and establish laws regarding religion.
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Who is wanting to do that? I'm absolutely against that and wouldn't vote for anyone wanting to limit free speech, no matter how disagreeable that speech is.

I could care less what they looked like, what they prayed like. You don't see people clamoring for restrictions on Buddhists, Hindus, animists, Sikhs, or pagans from entering this country, do you? But we need to be very selective who we let in from countries that are anti-American. It's nothing new, we did this during the Cold War from Soviet Bloc nations. It's only pragmatic and smart. The world isn't full of puppies and rainbows.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It's simple fear mongering. This "they don't look like us, they don't pray like us, fear them" rhetoric.

The only thing we should fear is government leaders who want to limit free speech and establish laws regarding religion.
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Don't bring your racist crap into this. Start paying attention to what goes on in the Middle East.
 
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Godfatha said:
Who is wanting to do that? I'm absolutely against that and wouldn't vote for anyone wanting to limit free speech, no matter how disagreeable that speech is.

I could care less what they looked like, what they prayed like. You don't see people clamoring for restrictions on Buddhists, Hindus, animists, Sikhs, or pagans from entering this country, do you? But we need to be very selective who we let in from countries that are anti-American. It's nothing new, we did this during the Cold War from Soviet Bloc nations. It's only pragmatic and smart. The world isn't full of puppies and rainbows.
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Trump has mentioned restricting the Internet on more than one occasion. That would be the big opponent of free speech.

If we limit anyone, we should start with Christians. Christian terrorists are more likely to kill you in the US, they just have a better PR person than the Islamic terrorists.
 
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