The Official Tennessee @ Arkansas Series Thread (4/14 8PM EST SEC NETWORK) (4/15 7PM EST SEC NET+) (4/16 3PM EST SEC NET+)

#904
#904
txbo said:
Go on.
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They still don't know what happened. Vandy had bases loaded with one out and hit a ball deep. The Centerfielder lept and hit the ball right before it hit the top of the yellow line (tipping it to himself). He threw it back in where it was called a DP (forced out at 2nd and the hitter who went back to the dugout after thinking it was caught). Inning ended tied 4-4 after a 15 minute review, but the next inning, they decided to count the tagging runner from third and that gave Vandy the 5-4 lead.
 
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taylorvol said:
If he’s a high 1st rounder like Brady House, he will likely see millions in signing bonus (House was $5M as the 11th overall pick), so likely won’t step foot on campus. NIL for baseball won’t touch that type of $, but chartered flights in SEC baseball vs buses in the minors is nice. With Manny as his Dad, he likely won’t be struggling with college debt or eating ramen noodles, so that helps the college choice a bit too. Quality of SEC baseball is debatable compared to minors but I’d say equivalent would be high A. Curious as to @preacherman20 or @6-4-3 would say…
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I don't think anyone can turn down top first round money but I don't think that is him. Maybe mid first round money but it's not like he or they need the money so it is proven if you go to an SEC school and produce you will get the money if you were already a top player, unless your agent screws it up, ie one certain Vandy pitcher. I don't know that our NIL money is there for baseball. Maybe one day but I just don't see it now from what I'm told we were not close to a few of the guys' wanting price last year.
I also hope they save a little for a fifth year left handed, get me out of a mess, guy if he doesn't get a sniff of MLB draft and comes back. ;) I'll bet he would be just happy getting his masters paid for so he can coach in college.
Back to the subject at hand. I just don't think we have the baseball money support yet but maybe with success it will come. I just don't know if that can happen with a horrible team coached by a C- (is that where we still are) coaching staff. ;);););) I don't want anybody misreading this as truth. I still think our guys are coached by the best coaching staff in the nation and will figure it out. It is just tough to get in a college guy's head, and then get out safely. And that is where I think the problems are for many, in their heads, not their skills, and definitely not their hearts. I told someone today do you realistically think these guys are okay messing up. For several of them, they are losing thousands, some tens of thousands, and a couple hundreds of thousands, and maybe one millions, every time they have a bad game. I can't imagine that but that will definitely get in your head.
 
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taylorvol said:
If he’s a high 1st rounder like Brady House, he will likely see millions in signing bonus (House was $5M as the 11th overall pick), so likely won’t step foot on campus. NIL for baseball won’t touch that type of $, but chartered flights in SEC baseball vs buses in the minors is nice. With Manny as his Dad, he likely won’t be struggling with college debt or eating ramen noodles, so that helps the college choice a bit too. Quality of SEC baseball is debatable compared to minors but I’d say equivalent would be high A. Curious as to @preacherman20 or @6-4-3 would say…
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There are mixed reviews on Ramirez at this point as far as where he will land in the draft, but it’s still early given he is a 2024. If he needs to develop his skills and maturity, and the money isn’t as big of a deal, he should choose the college route. Honestly, in the minors at the lower levels, he likely wouldn’t get as much development as quickly as he would in college. Although, some orgs are better than others in the development of players.

As far as SEC and how it compares to the pros, I have seen posts that say if you can compete in the SEC you can compete in MLB. Well, the SEC is better than rookie ball and somewhat better than Low-A. It is fairly even or just a shade below most of the high-A leagues, but is nowhere near the level of Double-A or higher. Honestly, not even close.

My gut says he will go the pro route if he is drafted in the first couple of rounds, but things can change between now and summer 2024.
 
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preacherman20 said:
I don't think anyone can turn down top first round money but I don't think that is him. Maybe mid first round money but it's not like he or they need the money so it is proven if you go to an SEC school and produce you will get the money if you were already a top player, unless your agent screws it up, ie one certain Vandy pitcher. I don't know that our NIL money is there for baseball. Maybe one day but I just don't see it now from what I'm told we were not close to a few of the guys' wanting price last year.
I also hope they save a little for a fifth year left handed, get me out of a mess, guy if he doesn't get a sniff of MLB draft and comes back. ;) I'll bet he would be just happy getting his masters paid for so he can coach in college.
Back to the subject at hand. I just don't think we have the baseball money support yet but maybe with success it will come. I just don't know if that can happen with a horrible team coached by a C- (is that where we still are) coaching staff. ;);););) I don't want anybody misreading this as truth. I still think our guys are coached by the best coaching staff in the nation and will figure it out. It is just tough to get in a college guy's head, and then get out safely. And that is where I think the problems are for many, in their heads, not their skills, and definitely not their hearts. I told someone today do you realistically think these guys are okay messing up. For several of them, they are losing thousands, some tens of thousands, and a couple hundreds of thousands, and maybe one millions, every time they have a bad game. I can't imagine that but that will definitely get in your head.
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As Yogi Berra said, 90% of baseball is 1/2 mental. Lol. The pressure on these college athletes is off the charts. I hope they have access to a sports psychologist. Visualizing success is so important in athletics. When you try not to make an error, that’s usually when they happen. Press too hard, and you fail more often in a sport of failure. There’s a reason why CTV doesn’t tell a PH thats he pitch hitting until the last possible moment. He doesn’t want him over thinking.
 
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I had a pro scout tell me last weekend, didn't know who I was, that if you can compete in the SEC, you can compete in MiLB. He compared SEC, especially top levels, as equal to AA and maybe AAA. We had a good conversation when he found out who I was. He has listened to podcast.
 
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6-4-3 said:
There are mixed reviews on Ramirez at this point as far as where he will land in the draft, but it’s still early given he is a 2024. If he needs to develop his skills and maturity, and the money isn’t as big of a deal, he should choose the college route. Honestly, in the minors at the lower levels, he likely wouldn’t get as much development as quickly as he would in college. Although, some orgs are better than others in the development of players.

As far as SEC and how it compares to the pros, I have seen posts that say if you can compete in the SEC you can compete in MLB. Well, the SEC is better than rookie ball and somewhat better than Low-A. It is fairly even or just a shade below most of the high-A leagues, but is nowhere near the level of Double-A or higher. Honestly, not even close.

My gut says he will go the pro route if he is drafted in the first couple of rounds, but things can change between now and summer 2024.
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Thanks. Makes sense.
 
#915
#915
preacherman20 said:
Some of you have asked about the timing ball called on Kirby last night. There is a part to the timing rule that I did not realize until talking after the game. When a pitcher goes to throw to a base, the fielder has to be in the vicinity of the base or making a concerted effort to get there. Both were called pick offs. When Kirby spun on the first, he did not think Maui was close enough to the base so he did not throw it in fear that he would get called for a balk by throwing to a fielder not at the base. When they called it again and he spun he knew he would be called for the ball if he did not throw it, so he just lobbed it there but they ruled that Maui was still not close enough to the base and he was called for the ball. No big fault on anyone. Just a part of the rule that everyone will have to get used to. The filters are going to have to realize once the pitcher begins to step off they have to break to the bag.
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If both were called pick offs, why can’t Maui get to The bag? Just wondering!!!
 
#916
#916
preacherman20 said:
I don't think anyone can turn down top first round money but I don't think that is him. Maybe mid first round money but it's not like he or they need the money so it is proven if you go to an SEC school and produce you will get the money if you were already a top player, unless your agent screws it up, ie one certain Vandy pitcher. I don't know that our NIL money is there for baseball. Maybe one day but I just don't see it now from what I'm told we were not close to a few of the guys' wanting price last year.
I also hope they save a little for a fifth year left handed, get me out of a mess, guy if he doesn't get a sniff of MLB draft and comes back. ;) I'll bet he would be just happy getting his masters paid for so he can coach in college.
Back to the subject at hand. I just don't think we have the baseball money support yet but maybe with success it will come. I just don't know if that can happen with a horrible team coached by a C- (is that where we still are) coaching staff. ;);););) I don't want anybody misreading this as truth. I still think our guys are coached by the best coaching staff in the nation and will figure it out. It is just tough to get in a college guy's head, and then get out safely. And that is where I think the problems are for many, in their heads, not their skills, and definitely not their hearts. I told someone today do you realistically think these guys are okay messing up. For several of them, they are losing thousands, some tens of thousands, and a couple hundreds of thousands, and maybe one millions, every time they have a bad game. I can't imagine that but that will definitely get in your head.
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Selfishly, I’d like to see Vollie aka Kirby come back next year. He would make a great Coach.
 
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#918
taylorvol said:
Selfishly, I’d like to see Vollie aka Kirby come back next year. He would make a great Coach.
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I’m baffled that Kirby hasn’t been used more in long relief. Last year’s Baylor game showed he can give us a lot more. That was as good of a relief performance as we’ve seen in years.
 
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#925
#925
preacherman20 said:
I had a pro scout tell me last weekend, didn't know who I was, that if you can compete in the SEC, you can compete in MiLB. He compared SEC, especially top levels, as equal to AA and maybe AAA. We had a good conversation when he found out who I was. He has listened to podcast.
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He is entitled to his opinion of course, but his opinion is very much in the minority. As mentioned, let’s just say I’m very familiar with that world. The SEC is not the same as AA or AAA. If you placed LSU or Arkansas in a AA or AAA league, they would finish last. I’ve even talked to SEC players that have done both and they all say it isn’t comparable. Can the top players on each SEC team compete at that level? Absolutely, and many of them do. That’s why they are drafted as such. But to say in general that the SEC is the equivalent of those levels just isn’t reality.

At the end of the day, hypothetically comparing those two doesn’t really matter anyway.
 
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