The official UT QB controversy thread

#51
#51
Can anyone name a succesful SEC QB that at one point had trouble earning a starting spot from a bunch of guys with no experience?
 
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DD4ME said:
I've read all the negative opinions on Bray as he went undrafted with a resume full of SEC losses. Worley had a couple of chances then to take advantage and didn't. Bray did take advantage of those same chances when presented. I think one of our freshman will too.
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Or it could simply mean that Bray is like Palardy. An all world practice player.
 
#53
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DD4ME said:
How many practices does it take for a former SEC starter to lock down the top spot against Freshman, redshirt or otherwise?
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If Jones names Worley the starter right now, maybe it causes the other guys to not try as hard. I'd say the fact that Worley has consistently been given the reps with the ones shows that he will most likely be the starter.
 
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DD4ME said:
Can anyone name a succesful SEC QB that at one point had trouble earning a starting spot from a bunch of guys with no experience?
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Jon Crompton vs Nick Stephens? Erik Ainge vs Rick Clauson?
 
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TNinSC said:
Jon Crompton vs Nick Stephens? Erik Ainge vs Rick Clauson?
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And I remember Ainge went down with an injury, but I thought there was a little competition prior to his return? Didn't Clauson start in the Cotton Bowl against A&M?
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Let me start by saying that I support whoever brings the wins. That being said, I am pulling for Peterman. I have always been an advocate of a more mobile QB. The ability to move around and be a threat to tuck it and run adds a whole other dynamic to the offense that the defense must prepare for and worry about. It adds the chance to prolong a play that might allow a receiver to get open. I'm in no way saying that Peterman is the next Tee Martin but look at how many times Martin's mobility led to big plays. Anyway like I said, I'm for whoever brings the victories be it Peterman, Worley, or Jim Bob Cooter.
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I will second that. All that I know is mobile qbs make defenses second guess every snap. But if we have to start a true freshman at QB...hopefully he plays as well as that kid from Oregon did as a frosh last year!
 
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davethevol said:
If Jones names Worley the starter right now, maybe it causes the other guys to not try as hard. I'd say the fact that Worley has consistently been given the reps with the ones shows that he will most likely be the starter.
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I considered that but most teams would have them vying for the #2 spot not starter. Maybe that's the case here but it doesn't look that way. Looks a lot like FL last year.
 
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JCP201 said:
I actually thought Dobbs was the man last night.
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I've been high on Dobbs potential, but I didn't see him stand out at all, last night. Ferguson impressed me a few times, but without there having been a scrimmage, it was too hard to tell if anyone had the upper hand.
 
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vavolunteer said:
Since when did it become a "controversy"?? We've got 4 great guys fighting for the starting job. Pretty good position to be in I think. Doesn't a controversy usually involve something nefarious or negative? Haven't seen anything like that so far, certainly don't expect to. :hi:
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Yeah this isn't a QB controversy. A QB controversy implys having a starting QB who people want to be replaced.


That said, we very well might end up with one before the season is over.
 
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We would be damn lucky to still have Bray as a senior. The truth is Peyton Manning could not have won at UT with defense we had last year. Bray produced enough offense to put us in the top of the east. I realize he made many mistakes as well, but I have never seen a UT QB asked to go out and score again and again and again just to stay in every ballgame. I have heard it argued that he couldn't put together a "winning drive". I would argue that I watched him put together 3 or 4 in one game, but the D couldn't keep the other team from scoring in less than 90 seconds. He obviously doesn't have the maturity or the football knowledge of a college Peyton, but Peyton also had much better teams against arguably lesser competition. Too bad for Bray he was at UT under the most unstable time in the programs history, which happens to coincide with the SEC most dominant period in history. Just a question, has any UT QB ever faced more top 10 or 20 opponents in their career? Would be interesting to see. Anyway, Bray has his problems, but he came to UT at UT's lowest moment, 2000 miles from his home and provided some enthusiasm at times when everything was bleak. For that I will always wish him well.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Yeah this isn't a QB controversy. A QB controversy implys having a starting QB who people want to be replaced.


That said, we very well might end up with one before the season is over.
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I disagree. You hear the term used a lot of times when a starter is not named late into preseason. Also on paper how in the hell is Worley not the starter already? He's the only one with SEC experience. 99% of the time that ends all debate. If this were Dooley's dilemma and not Butch's much more discussion would be made of this. I think it speaks volumes to the job Butch has done.

Also it's not that dissimilar from Simms and Bray. I hope Worley is better than Simms if that is the case.
 
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I would like to see Butch go with one of his guys he brought in here and go....either Dobbs or Furgeson can run this offense as good or better that the left over QBs. JMO
 
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TNBV said:
We would be damn lucky to still have Bray as a senior. The truth is Peyton Manning could not have won at UT with defense we had last year. Bray produced enough offense to put us in the top of the east. I realize he made many mistakes as well, but I have never seen a UT QB asked to go out and score again and again and again just to stay in every ballgame. I have heard it argued that he couldn't put together a "winning drive". I would argue that I watched him put together 3 or 4 in one game, but the D couldn't keep the other team from scoring in less than 90 seconds. He obviously doesn't have the maturity or the football knowledge of a college Peyton, but Peyton also had much better teams against arguably lesser competition. Too bad for Bray he was at UT under the most unstable time in the programs history, which happens to coincide with the SEC most dominant period in history. Just a question, has any UT QB ever faced more top 10 or 20 opponents in their career? Would be interesting to see. Anyway, Bray has his problems, but he came to UT at UT's lowest moment, 2000 miles from his home and provided some enthusiasm at times when everything was bleak. For that I will always wish him well.
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Apparently you missed the majority of Peyton's career in Indianapolis.
 
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DD4ME said:
Seems Butch and Worley's peers would put that to bed if it wasn't warranted. I've not heard any ringing endorsements of Worley from coaches or players.
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I guess we will always wonder how Worley would have done against the 2nd team defense then.
 
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DD4ME said:
We may not have to wonder long...
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Then I wonder what will happen if Worley starts tearing it up against the walk-ons we have playing DB in the 2nd team defense. Butch is going to be so confused on who to start.
 
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jspvol76 said:
Then I wonder what will happen if Worley starts tearing it up against the walk-ons we have playing DB in the 2nd team defense. Butch is going to be so confused on who to start.
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If he was confident already he would have named Worley the starter. I'd venture to guess even going into game one the highest aknowldgement for Worley from Butch will be that he will start the game. I have nothing to believe he'll earn a ringing endorsement that Worley will be the man for 2014 until something else gives. Meaning he either starts seperating himself more or starts crumbling. All accounts I have read said he wilted some under the lights last night at a time when he should have showcased why he's the man.
 
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DD4ME said:
He had enough talent to make an NFL roster and start in the SEC that places him above most D1 QB's by default.
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Since when has he made an opening day roster? Being on the roster preseason doesn't mean he's made the team.
 
#75
#75
Here's how you judge a QB: can he make a succession of first downs, can he "matriculate the ball down the field," as the former KC Chiefs coach said. Arm strength is nice but not necessarily essentially--most of bama's QBs over the last 20 years have been noodle arms who know how to manage games, and that's pretty easy to do when you've got the best defense in the country year in and year out and can run the ball like they do. Lack of mobility at the QB position has KILLED UT for years. Teams are running spread, putting pressure on the edge in a multitude of ways (deception, misdirection--the oregon, urbie meyer model) and we counter with the old pro-style and QBs who can't move at all. I would certainly want somebody with some mobility--the benefit of a QB who can simple tuck it and run for a first down is HUGE in college football, and happens constantly. UT has killed itself with immobile QBs. This is especially true when you don't have a great team--don't have a great defense. Making first downs, one and then another, however you can do it--that is the name of the game.
 
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